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A big problem for Evolution?
From what I know, Random Mutation and Natural Selction are the backbone of the evolution "fact".
I found this site that seems to clearly disprove the commonly accepted idea that random mutations and natural selection are driving evolution. I'm no expert on the subject but I am skeptical. I was wondering if anyone who knows more then me on this subject can find any holes in this reasoning, or is it correct. I'm still undecided so I'd appreciate your criticism and opinions. http://www.randommutation.com/darwinianevolution.htm |
02-4-2007, 06:06 PM | #2 |
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Re: A big problem for Evolution?
I'm pretty certain 'random mutation' merely means that it occurs randomly, not that the results are random. The results are what 'natural selection' entails.
The entire concept is that the species mutates to better suit itself in nature. The actual result is better or worse, and it accepts the better results and ditches what didn't work. By the way, I feel the need to mention this anytime someone talks about Evolution. Evolution is a fact. It merely denotes that species have changed over time, which is incredibly obvious to even the youngest of children. The process by which it occurs is what is being debated. This is where Natural Selection and Intelligent Design come into play. The reason scientists continue to pursue the truth is because accepting Intelligent Design means there's no reason to study anything. Science is the study of things. To say "well, the solution is that it's something we can't understand no matter how hard we try" is against the rules of science. So, no matter what, this is going to stick around for a long, long time. Last edited by Squeek; 02-4-2007 at 06:09 PM.. |
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Re: A big problem for Evolution?
Is creationism science? Or put it more precisely, is creationism a genuinely scientific theory? It might depend on how you define creationism. Some forms of creationism make no reference to deities or the supernatural. Why think those versions are not genuinely scientific theories? The best reason to reject is that creationist theory fits the category of being “scientific” but the evidence does not support it as well as orthodox evolution.
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Evolution is a fact. The theories out there explain how evolution occurred. Denying evolution is a fact would be the same as looking at an ammonite or trilobite fossil and telling me that the animal in that fossil still roams Earth to this day. And honestly, with the arguments I've seen in the last few pages of this thread, that's what you all sound like. Please keep your arguments logical. This is Critical Thinking, not "try to prove other people's religions wrong". |
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Yes, evolution is fact, but not because of what you said. You can't go and say evolution is true because "lolol dinosaurs existed and they aren't here today, pwned". Alternate explanation: they died out. Extinction doesn't necessitate evolution. Catastrophes happen and things eat things and stuff dries up.
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02-4-2007, 06:16 PM | #10 |
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Re: A big problem for Evolution?
So how are misspellings in the "random mutation generator" and the fact that it "mutates" random characters into random things even a representation of evolution, anyway?
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog -> The quick red fox jumped over the lazy dog Bam, my theory of evolution. I win this round, Marshall.
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02-4-2007, 07:22 PM | #11 |
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Re: A big problem for Evolution?
I probably don't even need to say any of this but..
This site shows examples of a word going 10 mutations in 10 generations on a single line! This is ridiculous. Even one "successful" mutation takes a very long time. This is because many unsuccessful mutations occur too, they just die out quickly. Also, I didn't read too far, but the site doesn't seem to account for the fact that a random change in the four-letter genetic language can't be compared to a 26-letter alphabet that has a completely different application. Yet this guy does math examples on the randomness of real english words. It almost seems like he is writing this as deliberately misleading propaganda. |
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Evolution as it is taught has been disproven. Now let me explain.
Scientists, textbooks, and most teachers tell you that evolution is when a species mutates, new chromosomes or DNA are created, and it produces a beneficial result and proliferates. However, this is impossible. A mutation has never been observed to create new information, nor is it believed to be able to. Quote:
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This fact, however, proves the commonly accepted of evolution to be incorrect. Birds evolved from dinosaurs? And where did they get the new information to be birds? Where did they get the new genetic information for wings, hollow bones, and extraordinary chest muscles required for flight? The only changes in observed in genetic mutation are the rearranging of DNA [often resulting in undesirable mutations] and the loss of it [resulting in the degeneration of, say, a wolf to a poodle.] Never has information been observed or been proven likely to be gained from a mutation. http://creationwiki.org/(Talk.Origins)_Mutations_don't_add_information This following site tries to take the site of evolution, but falls flat on its face. It claims that chromosomes do add new information, then completely contradicts itself: Quote:
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While studying the genetics of the evening primrose, Oenothera lamarckiana, de Vries (1905) found an unusual variant among his plants. O. lamarckiana has a chromosome number of 2N = 14. The variant had a chromosome number of 2N = 28. He found that he was unable to breed this variant with O. lamarckiana. He named this new species O. gigas. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html |
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There you have what? I'm confused as to what you're trying to prove through that post. Please explain further.
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Problems with DNA aside, it seems very unlikely that co-dependant creatures could have evolved on their own. If they need each other to survive, how did they evolve in the first place? Also, take your organs. Many of them would be completely useless without all the data that they contain. Your liver could not fuction at all with some DNA gone. Your heart, depending on what was missing, would be severely cripped or would not work. Edit: Pippin, I'm truly glad that you think that way, but this forum is for serious debate and discussion, not for poorly capitalized and spelled two-sentence answers. Please use a spell check or something or refrain from posting in forums such as these. [I sound terribly mean here, but it's true!]
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The things you bring up (like the thing with gills and legs but no arms) are just retarded if you A) really think they happened and B) don't disprove a single thing. You're just showing insurmountable ignorance if you actually think that you're giving legitimate arguments against evolution. Do everyone, especially yourself, a favor and go read a book by Michael Shermer or something. Quote:
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I have been recently taught in my biology courses that DNA can be both added and subtracted to a gene. You seem to be claiming that it can only be subtracted or swapped, but I'm willing to bet that that is just flatly inaccurate.
On an earlier point, a "random mutation" generally refers to an error during genetic replication which changes one or more base pairs on a chromosome. To have an evolutionary effect, it must occur in the gamete lines, not the somatic lines. It is NOT the process of recombination of DNA from two separate sources (aka in the zygote, at fertilization), but changes BEFORE then in DNA replication among gametes (aka sperm or egg lines). |
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Re: A big problem for Evolution?
Evelutions biggest problem is GOD!!!!! thats all i want to say on the subject
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