TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

[Litodude]

this is for me later, but others can peep this too

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I guess in moving forward, solving this becomes about solving Haku for me. I'm normally inclined to let him do that himself over time, but he's managed to intertwine himself with the core of the game. In pushing him on his delusions if he's, who's doing it with wolfy manipulative intentions? I'd say Charu as I'm seeing traces of a specific approach he takes to spinning a situation with little comments here and there. This possibility is disconcerting though, because I've been mindmelding Charu otherwise.
If Haku's a wolf, I'd clear YoshL in a heartbeat and have serious concerns about Raeko, who I already have smaller concerns about due to soft defenses of Freezin and Haku, as well as what may be pocketing attempts combined with classic excuse/read/quickthought/disappear in an effort to stay UTR, and a harder defense of Haku. I'd like to see more of her thoughts regardless, and I say "smaller concerns" because I'm distinctly aware, after last game, of the possibility that I might just be tinfoiling on her.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1784

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1137

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1126

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1766

[Litodude]

@charu no

[Litodude]

also if shado's post above doesn't scum haku/raeko then idk

[thesunfan]

Haku, if you are the innocent child, I think it is at the point where you need to reveal

if you are not, please stop talking about it

[Litodude]

considering he's fuckin dead

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Raeko is sheeping me.
Raeko bussing Sunfan.
Sunfan didn't show intents to vote me.

#almost make sense

it would require me to bus her
hard

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

Haku, if you are the innocent child, I think it is at the point where you need to reveal

if you are not, please stop talking about it

Oh cmon, we still have another day.

[FreezinIce]

Did you already forget about hakus dank vt hard claim sunfan?

Tak tsk expected you to keep track of that sort of stuff!

[Litodude]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1137

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1171

for me later...

re;; everyone gets distracted bby lk blowing up after this

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

He hasn't been leading lynches or trying to get towns to follow his lead.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Votes from post 5 to post 1601
It is night
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 7 -- Tokzic -- Litodude (86), inDheart (66), roundbox (57), FreezinIce (366), Charu (237), YoshL (82), ShadoWolfe (107)
• 2 -- FreezinIce -- thesunfan (245), Lightknight924 (18)
• 2 -- thesunfan -- Hakulyte (86), mellonxcollie (18)
• 1 -- Lightknight924 -- Tokzic (16)
• 1 -- unvote -- choof (93)

Ah.

[Litodude]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1386

another hint

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1408
great idea for wolves

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

What's happening here @ Sunfan/Charu ?

I have explained this multiple times

I was playing video mafia on another community.

During the nightphases, we turn our cameras off and perform night actions/wait for the day to start depending on our roles.

I was making posts here during the night phases and focusing on the game during the day phases.

The day phases are no longer than half an hour at their longest and night phases are usually about half as long as the day phases are.

That's what was happening there.

I do think that my post is funny out of context though, like it really does look like I was telling Charu I would be more active next night phase.

I have said before that I don't believe in slips and its things like this that are the reason why. Often things just get taken out of context, and real slips are EXCEEDINGLY rare, I've probably seen it happen less than ten times in all the games I've played just because of how incompetently mafia has to play in order to slip.

I do think I've said my peace on this but I am kinda surprised I've had to explain it so many times today.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Ah.

that point is about Charu

would you like me to show you where I stop talking about litodude and start talking about charu?

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I think Litodude early on had done a lot of small townie things. I think engaging you and freezin the way he did is not very alignment indicative, but I do think, and this is a lot more applicable to you than it is to Freezin imo, that pairings of lito/freezin and lito/haku are very unlikely.

Litodude's progression where he singles in on someone and focuses mainly on them is another thing that I can see him potentially doing as both alignments.

Lastly, Shado worded it really well when he called Lito uhhhhhhhhh... I don't remember his exact wording, but he politely called him a TWG hypocrite regarding reads, and I would agree with that.

Focusing on that last point, Lito has talked about his reads to a mostly minimal point, but when he has, nothing has seemed like thoughts that I don't think he could have as town. While he is a robot, focusing on myself and yoshl for contradicting ourselves regarding posting quantity fits in with his (sigh) old school mentality.

When Lito backed off of me, I was mostly just relieved given the stress I had at the time, but I do think that it should've come as somewhat of a surprise looking back. It wasn't until my reread last phase that I realized his progression on Tokzic, which I think is something that would've been really hard for him to fake.

A wolf doesn't like, make it seem like they're putting themselves in someone elses shoes evaluating the reasons behind their vote, post about hoping they're not wrong when someone like, stalls on questions that everyone wants for ~half a phase, then flip when they realized their expectations were wrong. I think that this moment looks very good for litodude overall. His reevaluation on Tokzic seems very townie to me.

I've already commented on the little things he's done like talk about how he hopes no one skips one of his bigger posts because it took a long time to make. I think this sentiment is overall more townie than not. Its not impossible for a wolf to have this kind of post (Freezin last game), I don't think its the type of thing a player like litodude would fake as a wolf.

This is based on the discord TWG game I played with him where he literally typed like a madman as town and while most of his stuff was mechanics bullshit (he died n1 [n0 start] so that was all he really had a chance to talk about for the most part), but he was urging people to read his stuff iirc (I've left that channel since then so I can't check). I don't think that this is the type of thing that wolf!litodude tries to replicate.

I think my POE has gotten into a kind of weird state. I think litodude will be definitively in or out of it by the end of this phase. I have not made up my mind on him, and I think that there's a lot that I can point to that is townie. I would have him as a potential deep wolf, and as such, he is not a priority kill, but I could see myself lynching him.

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I am never lynching Charu this game. I am not getting dohoho'd this game, I'm quite positive of it.

There was an early game thingy where I said something like "I don't THINK I can read Charu" which was meant to be sarcastic because it was me saying that I feel like I know I can read him, but he didn't seem to detect the sarcasm. I think I have a great read on him, and he has really only gone by my radar once that I can think of. He knows what my read on him is, but there's no way he wouldn't have done his tell this game if he was a wolf here imo.

There have to be wolves that have said dumb shit because I do agree with you Haku there is at least one wolf that has to be in the higher postcount range. This is way too many opportunities to slip up that Charu would probably feel like he has to bus if he was a wolf. Even if there isn't one in the higher range, I think raeko, who if Charu IS a wolf, is a likely partner, would be getting bused a lot harder if Charu was her partner, if that makes sense. It would be tunneling into the ground tier.

He has had reasonable posts when interacting with you/Freezin/other people when he wants something, and while I would say they are not as reasonable as say, roundbox, this is more of a town characteristic than not.

When he is a wolf, he tries to actually do shit. He hasn't been leading lynches or trying to get towns to follow his lead. This shit ALWAYS happens when he's a wolf and while his busing is pretty terrible to watch from the sidelines this is the thing that bugs me the most about his wolfgame; he always gets the hammer. He always makes decisions for town, or goes with ones that he knows are bad for town if people insist upon it.

If I had to pick one thing that I think he's done that has been scummy it would be not getting more emotional when he was getting pushed to lynch yesterday, that's probably the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that gives me a little bit of pause.

He is obsessed with getting towncred as a wolf to the point where I am not joking when I say it actually bothers me as a TWG player. I do not feel like he has done that this game.

If Charu is a wolf I will stand up and applaud like I did when he beat me in a certain Matrix6 game

its gotten into the point where I cannot justify lynching him this game because of how many things I know he about his wolfgame that he would have to have broken all at once, and I would put him ever so slightly below choof's slot in terms of towniness because he HAS fooled me but its been when I'm not on my game and when I was much worse of a player.

I understand that this may reinforce your world. I ask that you understand that I am not trying to appease you here, I am giving my thoughts the way you asked.

The change happens where the line is if it was not obvious before

[Hakulyte]

So, if Charu doesn't lead lynches, he's always town?

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

So, if Charu doesn't lead lynches, he's always town?

omg

This is NOT what he's saying dude.

[thesunfan]

ps by leading lynches I mean trying to active drum up support for a specific lynch, not necessarily being the first/one of the first person(s) on a wagon, though that can be part of it

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Litodude

idk why haku didn't die last night outside of being pocketed or being a wolf

??

[Hakulyte]

I don't want to quote your posts in 20 segments and paint it with my world.

I don't think we need to go there.

It's just that it's not cutting it for me anymore.

I appreciate your attempt tho.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

So, if Charu doesn't lead lynches, he's always town?

I'd say it more likely makes him town but that is only a small to very small part of my read on him currently