FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th - Page 3

**bmah** · 12-20-2010, 05:20 AM

lol I didn't expect the one-handed 12th trill for the level 6 song - still not that bad though

**Jtehanonymous** · 12-20-2010, 05:49 AM

I've only played through the Greensleeves one and the three from the day before, but I like them.

And to those of you guys who don't like the "rainbow" notes, I think they are refreshing. It's nice to take a break from subdividing 8ths and 16ths like some human metronome and actually feel like I'm playing along with music. XD

**jimerax** · 12-20-2010, 05:51 AM

ok considering it's arrow count "increase" (and within a week since release).
can fix if you send me the fixed dwi.

It's still really easy to change without changing note count and not making it worse though.

**krunkykai22** · 12-20-2010, 06:26 AM

-sigh- What the hell is up with Blame it on Bad Luck ...... my new choice for most hated song in the game.

ghost- · 12-20-2010, 06:45 AM

My sentiments exactly. Plus I hate long boring rock songs.

**krunkykai22** · 12-20-2010, 06:47 AM

It's not that it's boring cause, well for me I still can't AAA it, go figure, have over 13 FMO AAA's but ... can't AAA a 6 .... its garbage... I'm sorry but it really is. For one, its not a 6, left hand 12th trill, stupid awkwardness patterns, swing bullcrap, yeah.

**remedy1502** · 12-20-2010, 07:00 AM

Omg Little Star freaked me the **** out when the hands showed up. It made sense though, being louder and all. But man, I missed the first time LOL
2 easy 3minute+ files are boring, but I'll live. Got one more to AAA, no rush to do that.
Also this better help me get HWG.

ghost- · 12-20-2010, 07:14 AM

okay I don't understand what the hell you guys are talking about when you say there's hands in Little Star. There's not one single hand in that damn file. they're CLOSE to hands, yes, but technically they're not hands.

**krunkykai22** · 12-20-2010, 08:01 AM

3 or more notes in the same beat is considered hands. I don't know if that song has it cause I haven't played it yet, but lol

**Vanilla Mnm** · 12-20-2010, 02:37 PM

the songs released yesterday were all better than the three released today. ;p AAA'd all of them though

SulferDragon · 12-20-2010, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

ok considering it's arrow count "increase" (and within a week since release).
can fix if you send me the fixed dwi.

It's still really easy to change without changing note count and not making it worse though.

I don't see what you mean. If I add silence to the beginning, the notes that were cut off at the beginning won't be cut off anymore. How could the note count not change?

Anyway, I sent the update to the batch email. If you change the file, that's great. If you don't want to hassle with it, that's fine too. I'm the one causing problems to begin with.

**customstuff** · 12-20-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bmah

Haven't played any of the new songs yet, but fyi, hands and quads are now allowed in easier songs - with moderation in usage of course.

Hopefully they're not that frightening. 8D

woahwoahwoahwoah... really?

Yeeeeesss. (kinda)

I'm scared for some of the future files, but I'm also like this because I won't have to worry when I make files

ghost- · 12-20-2010, 06:01 PM

Personally I think if you add hands into a "standard" file, it's automatically not "standard" anymore. Things like hands just up the difficulty if the difficulty is already that low. I say you at least make it a "tricky".

**bmah** · 12-20-2010, 06:06 PM

Personally I have to disagree with that; that only seems like an artificial judgment based on the fact that FFR people haven't encountered hands/quads for easier songs yet. There's very little additive brain and finger power involved in hitting an extra arrow to the jumps you are already used to. The differences become apparent when hand usage becomes more intense when layered among other things; THAT's when hands and quads make songs significantly more difficult. For easy songs, it won't hurt that much. If you played stargroup's lightfoot song on Stepmania, you'll know what I mean by an "easy song with hands".

**aperson** · 12-20-2010, 06:11 PM

If you use them please be very mindful of the variety of players that will be playing them though. i.e. if you put ^ and \/ in a hand, 1hand-3finger players are going to have a hard time adapting to it.

**dore** · 12-20-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SulferDragon

I don't see what you mean. If I add silence to the beginning, the notes that were cut off at the beginning won't be cut off anymore. How could the note count not change?

since it increases the number of notes you don't have to reset the leaderboards. a AAA on the old file will still be below the maximum possible score, so nobody will have scores that will be impossible with the new chart, and if people care that much about their score they can play it again.

**bmah** · 12-20-2010, 06:14 PM

Yeah, use with discretion for easy files. Some arrow placements feel better than others, and this itself will vary according to playing style as aperson has noted.

The only thing this won't cater to are index players...and I don't really have much of a reaction to that other than a shrug.

ghost- · 12-20-2010, 06:15 PM

Thank you aperson, that's what I meant. Sorry bmah, I forgot to mention that I was one-handed and things get difficult when BOOM HAND IN YO FACE ON A STANDARD. ah well, your argument has good points. I guess time will have to tell if hands get to be too much in easier files.

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 12-20-2010, 06:17 PM

Its better to learn how to hit hands on easier files rather then having to play a song way out of your difficulty range just to be able to learn them.

**customstuff** · 12-20-2010, 06:18 PM

left,down,right hands and left,up,right hands are both really really easy for one-handed players. Index could switch and use an extra finger if there are only 1 or 2 hands in certain spots. Once it gets loaded they'll have major troubles though. A small amount of hands are great if they're used correctly.

12-20-2010, 05:20 AM	#41
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th lol I didn't expect the one-handed 12th trill for the level 6 song - still not that bad though

12-20-2010, 05:51 AM	#43
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th ok considering it's arrow count "increase" (and within a week since release). can fix if you send me the fixed dwi. It's still really easy to change without changing note count and not making it worse though. Last edited by jimerax; 12-20-2010 at 06:59 AM..

12-20-2010, 06:26 AM	#44
krunkykai22 <3 Jumpstream <3 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere Age: 37 Posts: 5,436	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th -sigh- What the hell is up with Blame it on Bad Luck ...... my new choice for most hated song in the game. Last edited by krunkykai22; 12-20-2010 at 06:44 AM..

12-20-2010, 06:45 AM	#45
ghost- Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nebraska Age: 31 Posts: 787	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th My sentiments exactly. Plus I hate long boring rock songs.

12-20-2010, 06:47 AM	#46
krunkykai22 <3 Jumpstream <3 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere Age: 37 Posts: 5,436	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th It's not that it's boring cause, well for me I still can't AAA it, go figure, have over 13 FMO AAA's but ... can't AAA a 6 .... its garbage... I'm sorry but it really is. For one, its not a 6, left hand 12th trill, stupid awkwardness patterns, swing bullcrap, yeah.

12-20-2010, 07:00 AM	#47
remedy1502 remederpin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 31 Posts: 4,884	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th Omg Little Star freaked me the **** out when the hands showed up. It made sense though, being louder and all. But man, I missed the first time LOL 2 easy 3minute+ files are boring, but I'll live. Got one more to AAA, no rush to do that. Also this better help me get HWG.

12-20-2010, 07:14 AM	#48
ghost- Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nebraska Age: 31 Posts: 787	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th okay I don't understand what the hell you guys are talking about when you say there's hands in Little Star. There's not one single hand in that damn file. they're CLOSE to hands, yes, but technically they're not hands.

12-20-2010, 08:01 AM	#49
krunkykai22 <3 Jumpstream <3 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere Age: 37 Posts: 5,436	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th 3 or more notes in the same beat is considered hands. I don't know if that song has it cause I haven't played it yet, but lol

12-20-2010, 02:37 PM	#50
Vanilla Mnm cavs Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saratoga, New York Posts: 3,258	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th the songs released yesterday were all better than the three released today. ;p AAA'd all of them though

12-20-2010, 06:01 PM	#53
ghost- Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nebraska Age: 31 Posts: 787	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th Personally I think if you add hands into a "standard" file, it's automatically not "standard" anymore. Things like hands just up the difficulty if the difficulty is already that low. I say you at least make it a "tricky".

12-20-2010, 06:06 PM	#54
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th Personally I have to disagree with that; that only seems like an artificial judgment based on the fact that FFR people haven't encountered hands/quads for easier songs yet. There's very little additive brain and finger power involved in hitting an extra arrow to the jumps you are already used to. The differences become apparent when hand usage becomes more intense when layered among other things; THAT's when hands and quads make songs significantly more difficult. For easy songs, it won't hurt that much. If you played stargroup's lightfoot song on Stepmania, you'll know what I mean by an "easy song with hands".

12-20-2010, 06:11 PM	#55
aperson FFR Hall of Fame Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 3,428	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th If you use them please be very mindful of the variety of players that will be playing them though. i.e. if you put ^ and \/ in a hand, 1hand-3finger players are going to have a hard time adapting to it. __________________

12-20-2010, 06:14 PM	#57
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th Yeah, use with discretion for easy files. Some arrow placements feel better than others, and this itself will vary according to playing style as aperson has noted. The only thing this won't cater to are index players...and I don't really have much of a reaction to that other than a shrug.

12-20-2010, 06:15 PM	#58
ghost- Banned Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nebraska Age: 31 Posts: 787	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th Thank you aperson, that's what I meant. Sorry bmah, I forgot to mention that I was one-handed and things get difficult when BOOM HAND IN YO FACE ON A STANDARD. ah well, your argument has good points. I guess time will have to tell if hands get to be too much in easier files.

12-20-2010, 06:17 PM	#59
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: FFRMas 2010 - from Dec 19th to Dec 25th Its better to learn how to hit hands on easier files rather then having to play a song way out of your difficulty range just to be able to learn them.

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