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Old 07-16-2007, 02:35 PM   #1
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Default TWG XLVIII Postgame finally

I'm half tempted not to post roles because a good chunk of you don't deserve to know what was going on. I also apologize to everyone who was waiting for the game to end, though not too much because none of you actually bothered to help expedite the process by finding replacements.

But I'm going to anyway. >_>

However, before I do, for future reference, if I ever do one of these games again (which isn't terribly likely), don't talk to dead people. Wanna know why thunder was caught? He told people his role after they died, Manti most notably (maybe Stoic too idk). Then they came back and oh **** they know who to vote off!

Not talking to dead people is not a rule, it is a suggestion. Perhaps, after this game, it is a suggestion none of you will take lightly.

Anyway...

4 wolves

1 Master Wolf (played by flawofhumanity (Patchouli Knowledge))
Returns "human" to Aspiring Seer
Only has 25% chance of losing an artifact
If lynched, Master Wolf gets a retaliatory kill the next night - this kill is unguardable but can only target someone who voted for the Master Wolf
Unaffected if in possession of the Deception Artifact
Master Wolf is treated as green for all Question Artifact purposes (unless a question is asked about wolf population)

1 Wolf Thief (played by FishFishRevolution (Sakuya Izayoi))
Returns "not human" to Aspiring Seer
Operating illegally
Each night, the player targets one other player for theft
If a player targeted for theft has any artifacts, the Wolf Thief steals them
Cannot target self or fellow wolves

1 Wolf Seer (played by Yesssss (Reisen Udongein Inaba))
Returns "not human" to Aspiring Seer
Each night, the player looks at one person and is told if they are green or blue

1 Aspiring Wolf Jeweler (played by thunderstrike687 (Yuyuko Saigyouji))
Returns "not human" to Aspiring Seer
Has a 50% chance of figuring out the use of any artifact they come in possession of


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1 Aspiring Seer (3 looks) (played by DiscoBobbyPARANOiA (Marisa Kirisame))
Returns "blue" to Wolf Seer
May select at most one person per night to look at
Person looked at will return "human" or "not human" to the player
If the player survives to Night 5, they get 2 extra looks
If player dies, they lose all looks and cannot ever gain any new ones

1 Priest (played by talisman (Yukari Yakumo))
Returns "blue" to Wolf Seer
Operating illegally until power is used
Power must be used at night
Once during the game, the Priest may resurrect one wolfed/lynched player

1 Jesus (played by StoicRoivaS (Youmu Konpaku))
Returns "blue" to Wolf Seer
If killed, resurrects three days later for a single day
If Lazarus is killed, saying that player's name will resurrect that player at the next night-to-day transition
Does not know who Lazarus is

1 Lazarus (played by mattc16 (Reimu Hakurei))
Returns "green" to Wolf Seer
If Jesus says player's name after player is killed, player is resurrected at the next night-to-day transition
Does not know who Jesus is
Does not know they are Lazarus

1 Jeweler (played by X3R0H0UR (Suika Ibuki))
Returns "blue" to Wolf Seer
Operating illegally
Can identify any artifact the player gets a hold of if player so chooses

1 Thief (played by pntballa18 (Komachi Onozuka))
Returns "blue" to Wolf Seer
Each night, the player targets one other player for theft
If that player has any artifacts, the thief takes them
Thief cannot target themselves for theft
Thief only has a 50% chance of stealing from the curator (each artifact is rolled for separately)
The thief only has a 25% of losing an artifact, but if they lose one they lose them all and each artifact is rolled for

1 Curator (played by Kefit (Cirno))
Returns "blue" to Wolf Seer
0% chance of losing artifacts at night (except in special cases)
100% pass accuracy

1 Crazy Ivan (played by DarkManticoreX2 (Alice Margatroid))
Returns "blue" to Wolf Seer
Operating illegally
Kills random player if killed
Chance of retaliation toward killing parties is increased


1 Defector (played by nijatwo (Eirin Yagokoro))
Returns "green" to Wolf Seer
Operating illegally
Wins if humans lose
Wins if survives through a human win
Loses if dies in a human win


3 normal humans (played by rioting (Sikieiki Yamaxanadu), roundbox (Kaguya Houraisan), FictionJunction (Remilia Scarlet))

Artifacts and special notes in a later post, I need to call some doctors.
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:18 PM   #2
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god damn that took a long time.

I'm glad it was a win for us, but seriously folks. How did you miss the admission of guilt statement thunder made at the end of the day where he surely thought he was about to be lynched? Stoic even pointed it out. Could have made that last day ten times shorter.

I'm mad at myself for not thinking of a role duplication within the wolves with the whole jewelers thing, but I guess it worked out.

Stoic sorry for doubting you. It's just that it occurred to me that I was a resurrection role and I didn't see there being two resurrection roles on the same side of the game (but then again I didn't see there being four wolves either).

Manti sorry for forgetting to set you up with a foolproof way to take over the alliance in case I died. (about the only plan I had that worked this game was getting manti attacked so that I could rez him).

flaw you had some good scrambling but it was obvious at the end.

fish you were pretty readable. trying harder than I imagined you would.

yess you would have had me fooled since I tend not to assume wolves will be that obvious.

thunder, poor choice divulging your role info to people.
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Here's the complete artifact list, c/p'ed straight out of NotePad.

Useless Artifact (Etch of Reimu and Marisa sitting at the shrine entrace drinking tea)
Unusable
Looks pretty

Freeze Artifact (Etch of Cirno holding a toad with a smirk on her face)
Unusable
During the day, whoever the holder votes for has their vote for the day nullified

Switcheroo Artifact (Etch of Yukari sticking an arm through an open boundary)
Can be used any time
If used, holder switches that day's vote total with the person they target and artifact gains 100% reshuffle chance for next night only (void if target is dead)

Question Artifact (Etch of Aya scribbling furiously in her notebook)
Can be "used" any time
Host must answer the first question the holder asks of the host truthfully: elegible questions must have an answer of "yes", "no" or a number
If a question is asked and answered truthfully, the artifact's reshuffle chance changes to 100% until the next time it changes hands

Name Vigi Artifact (Etch of Komachi tossing a couple of her coins in the air)
Unusable
At the end of a day, there is a 1/4 chance the player whose name was last said by the holder during the day is killed (votes are counted) (names of dead people are ignored)

Deception Artifact (Etch of Reisen glaring at the user)
Unusable
Holder returns the opposite of what they would normally return to a seer when looked at

Resurrection Artifact (Etch of Mokou with a phoenix on her arm)
Unusable
100% reshuffle chance that takes priority over any and all other special modifiers
Cannot be stolen
Both the living and the dead are elegible recipients of this artifact during a reshuffle
If a dead player recieves this artifact, they are returned to life and the artifact becomes useless
If the holder of this artifact is wolfed, they are saved and the artifact becomes useless
If the holder of this artifact is lynched, they are returned to life during the next night-to-day transition and the artifact becomes useless

Psychic Artifact (Etch of Siki looking in her mirror)
Can be used any time
If a human uses the artifact, they are told how many wolves are dead
If a wolf uses the artifact, they are told how many blues are dead

Special Notes:

- In regards to all the extra deaths/rebirths, thunder was saved on Day 2 by the Ressurection Artifact, talisman's Priest power was used on Manti, flaw's Brutal kill was used on talisman, Stoic (first time) and nija got hit by the Name Vigi artifact, and rioting and roundbox both got Ivan'd.
- The wolves got dicked pretty hard when Kefit lucked across the Psychic artifact Night 2 and was ambitious enough to use it to see what it did. There wasn't supposed to be that much human-exclusive role information. Still, I think thunder could've pulled it off had he not said anything to any cadavers.
- As you may have guessed by now, Manti getting voted off was a result of thunder using the Switcheroo on him. Incidentally, flaw had used the same artifact the day before, and it would have saved him had he not targeted Yesssss with it. D:
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:53 PM   #4
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Quick question involving the question artifact, what, if any, were it's limitations on what you would and would not answer? I don't want to spill it in public in case this idea is reused, but I can think of a semi-complicated number-answered question that would be almost guaranteed to own every wolf.

Yesssss was obvious, thunder was more obvious. If you want to ask for an illegal to be killed (and that person isn't under suspicion of being red-illegal), it's best not to do it in the thread.

Another question, kilga, was I also attacked the same night I "died"? I would assume so being as I was the only death, but I imagine other things could have happened. I tried to make this my only "goal" in coming back to life. It was suggested (I think by flaw) that I approach the players with "hey, I came back to life" and try to split people into the "awesome" or "wait, how" pile, to give us a better chance at hitting wolves, but when talisman announced my role, I didn't feel that would be as productive, so I decided to at least try and get wolfed to help the team. Hopefully that worked. DBP was my near-certain SK guess because of a small statement he made over a game of twilight imperium, something about his kill going through but not being a wolf. I didn't think it was a joke because of how little effort he put behind the statement, but it was a guess none the less.

That's about it. Don't take forever to vote next time banking on kilga's lack of desire to update. The multiple extensions did not help this thing to end. Phantoms really should be given to those who don't want to play, and future decisions should be made by hosts to not let repeat offenders play. But that's just me and my idealism again.

Anyone opposed to another TT TWG?
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they wolfed thunder themselves since they knew he had the item. you were killed by that "X said your name so you die item".

Also, I thought of a question whereby you just ask "ok, if you look at the wolves' order of signups, what is the sum of the numbers to which each is ascribed?" but I figured that would be bending the rules too much.
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Default Re: TWG 48 Postgame finally

wow there needs to be a cap on the length that games last from now on and the people that caused the game to hit the cap need to be twg banned for 5 games.

i don't think i remember how to play TWG anymore. someone link me to the rules.
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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=58585
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Xero, you are retarted.

Further...................

Xero, you are retarted.
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I would have answered any question truthfully as long as the answer was a valid one, though I suppose if I use that particular item I should probably restrict number answers to "how many?" questions.

And yes, Stoic, you were wolfed Night 6 or whatever that was.

EDIT: X3R0, that sort of thing typically warrants a 6 month ban. I certainly hope that's not your goal.
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nope it was specifically designed for one target, but if thats a big deal, i'll taaaaaaaake it down -_-

dont be angry you got partied
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I'm not angry, I'm just saying since the same thing almost happened to me yesterday. >_>
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btw I seered flaw night one and told him he was master shortly after
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Go me for misreading the rules. I was pretty much screwed after that.

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yess you would have had me fooled since I tend not to assume wolves will be that obvious.
This was my exact intention. The least I could do at the time was make me being a wolf nonsensical.

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they wolfed thunder themselves since they knew he had the item. you were killed by that "X said your name so you die item".

Also, I thought of a question whereby you just ask "ok, if you look at the wolves' order of signups, what is the sum of the numbers to which each is ascribed?" but I figured that would be bending the rules too much.
My idea was basically a more confounded and more accurate version of this idea. Though I sort of doubt it would have been allowed given its accuracy.
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Also, bravo to whoever managed to un-sticky the game already. Save it up, my bravos are worth a fortune.

Edit: Seems to have been shash, props.
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My idea was basically a more confounded and more accurate version of this idea. Though I sort of doubt it would have been allowed given its accuracy.
Not to be, well, me, but I was bored and checked my idea. Originally I thought not knowing the number of wolves would have made me have to choose between 2-3 possible situations given kilga's numerical answer, but this proves false, my method would have given all wolf names exactly, producing only a single case. Clearly unfair unless kilga felt like specifically rewarding clever thinking, not exactly the point of the game, I guess.
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hm. I guess all I have to say is don't tell me your role because you're excited. :[

I could have "actually bothered to help expedite the process by finding replacements" otherwise.
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what happened with the mass killing the night talis and I died?
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my item killed you since I said your name last in the thread or something, flaw was a brutal wolf and his brutalling killed me, dbp was thunder's choice, stoic autorevived, and I rez'd manticore.
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