I wasn't done with atheism/theism - Page 4

**qqwref** · 02-23-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

That's not what he intends. He thinks that, since he was probably indoctrinated, when you "learn" something you actually have to interiorize every single aspect of it without any critical thinking.

Thinking's for nerds. You're not a nerd, are you?

Neeeeeeeeeeeeerd.

**Crazyjayde** · 02-23-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Why should I believe in God if I can be happy without beliefs? Serious question.

Nothing forces you to have a belief. However, since it is variable and subjective for everyone, one might find that it might be profitable to you to place his faith in a spiritual being, as his happiness might be increased (feeling of fulfillment, spiritual channeling, reassurance over death, etc.). Although, the same is a applicable for choosing not to believe.

But since the results are not predictable, I believe there is no valid reason whatsoever in believing in a deity.

Edit: At least in a consequentialist sense.

**PriestREA** · 02-23-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazyjayde

Nothing forces you to have a belief. However, since it is variable and subjective for everyone, one might find that it might be profitable to you to place his faith in a spiritual being, as his happiness might be increased (feeling of fulfillment, spiritual channeling, reassurance over death, etc.). Although, the same is a applicable for choosing not to believe.

But since the results are not predictable, I believe there is no valid reason whatsoever in believing in a deity.

I am far more satisified with this response. You remain quite objective by analyzing both points while taking into light someone's wants or presumed needs of believing in a deity. I like the use of the word "might" to keep it fair.

**JJTrixX** · 02-23-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PriestREA

Because jobs require prerequisites to ensure worker capability and competency. An 8th grader generally lacks the mental capacity and/or knowledge to ensure a steady career and growth in their future lives.

**Mollocephalus** · 02-23-2013, 06:23 PM

All good except the analogy is fundamentally wrong

dAnceguy117 · 02-23-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

My responses are not for the purpose to prove anything to you. I can not prove why God exists to you. Only God can prove to you why he exists. I can only share with you the knowledge that was given to me through God. You can either choose to accept it or not. That's your choice.

My responses are for the purpose of contributing to the debate. I would like to gain some insight into why people believe what they do, and to examine those beliefs critically.

How can God prove to someone that He exists? What would such a proof entail?

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

How can you learn anything if you are not willing to accept anything? When you are in grade school, or high school, or college, do you not sit and listen to the information that your teacher/professor shares with you? How do you expect to pass your courses if not to study the material that is to be given during a test or exam?

Most academic courses teach observable facts to students. Young students likely accept the validity of what they're being taught without questioning, but older students can discern why the material is grounded in factual knowledge.

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

Just like now, you do not know God, but if you truly wanted to know God, why spend your time disproving him instead of accepting the "word" that is given to you?

We are currently discussing the topic of atheism vs. theism. Participants in the debate should not begin with the premise that a god does or does not exist. That's what we're here to explore.

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

When you want to pass a math test, do you not try to understand the material given by taking notes or mentally storing it, or do you spend your time constantly arguing with your math professor as to why such an equation came to be; one who is trying to teach the class the material so that they may learn?

Actually, understanding the reasoning or proof behind a mathematical principle will lead to an increased ability to apply the principle correctly. Asking questions in class tends to help students tremendously.

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

Most of you who ask me about God don't want to know about God, so you will not understand.

People who "want to know about God" may be falling into a pattern of confirmation bias. Preconceived ideas about whether Premise X is true or false does not make Premise X more true or more false.

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

If your central focus is to argue or dispute everything you don't understand, then frankly, you don't understand life. This only makes you horrible listeners and eventually miserable people, even though you won't openly admit it.

How do you know that someone is miserable without said person proclaiming, "I am miserable?" Why are other people horrible listeners if, after listening intently and examining thoroughly, they do not reach the same conclusion as you do?

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do any of you hope to get married one day and start a family? What do you think marriage is? What is marriage based on? Do you think you can honestly say you can manage a beautiful loving family if you're constanly arguing with them over petty things that are unnecessary to argue about to begin with? Is it not better to just forgive the mistakes that occur and continue to love instead of always blaming people for their actions? Why be a hypocrite?

I don't think any of these ideas are relevant. Some secular families are successful and happy. Some theistic families struggle to stay close and support each other. Many families have parents and siblings with different beliefs.

JJTrixX, much of your post comes off as religious preaching. That's not the purpose of this thread.

edit: wow I cannot keep up with the posting rate here

**Crazyjayde** · 02-23-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

Best representation of christian rhetorics right there.

**xVaLoRx** · 02-23-2013, 06:34 PM

it's times like this that make me wish Christopher Hitchens was alive and active on ffr forums

**PriestREA** · 02-23-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by xVaLoRx

it's times like this that make me wish Christopher Hitchens was alive and active on ffr forums

Absolutely this.

FissionMailed1 · 02-23-2013, 06:41 PM

I said I wasn't going to take this thread seriously, but JJTrixX's responses are absolutely terrible and make me really mad.

**JJTrixX** · 02-23-2013, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FissionMailed1

I said I wasn't going to take this thread seriously, but JJTrixX's responses are absolutely terrible and make me really mad.

Do not be angry my friend, I love you.

V-Ormix · 02-23-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

arguing with people as to whether or not they believe in a higher power is akin to arguing about whether or not they enjoy the taste of salmon.

oh my "god", I am dead

ilikexd · 02-23-2013, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FissionMailed1

I said I wasn't going to take this thread seriously, but JJTrixX's responses are absolutely terrible and make me really mad.

It's very hard not to get sucked in, but I already won several days ago when he got so frustrated at my straightforward responses that he told me I had a reading deficiency.

**xVaLoRx** · 02-23-2013, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

Do not be angry my friend, I love you.

I thought the bible was against homosexuality

**JJTrixX** · 02-23-2013, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ilikexd

It's very hard not to get sucked in, but I already won several days ago when he got so frustrated at my straightforward responses that he told me I had a reading deficiency.

congratulations on your victory XD, and I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by saying you had a reading deficiency.

@ xValorx

you are correct.

**rushyrulz** · 02-23-2013, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX

Why should a student continue their education beyond the 8th grade?

DONE. lol

This is a lost cause.

EDIT: If there IS a God, he will let this thread DIE. I am miserable as a result of this thread and God isn't giving me enough divine intervention to numb the pain of reading half this shit.

**PriestREA** · 02-23-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz

DONE. lol

This is a lost cause.

EDIT: If there IS a God, he will let this thread DIE. I am miserable as a result of this thread and God isn't giving me enough divine intervention to numb the pain of reading half this shit.

When you're lost, always revert to Salmon for the answer

EtienneSM · 02-23-2013, 08:26 PM

Praise the Flying Salmon Monster.

Amen.

**devonin** · 02-23-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rules of this Forum

5/ Unfalsifiable claims are not allowed. What this means is basically: No matter how strongly you choose to believe something, if that something cannot be proven or disproven, you cannot use it as evidence in discussions. As a practical rule it means that threads about religion are on very shaky ground. You can discuss religions and religious concepts to your heart's content provided you have proper evidence to back them up, but faith-based claims simply lead to flamewars, and juvenile "yes it is, no it isn't" back-and-forths that make everyone's day worse.

Please remove JJTrixX from this forum until he learns to follow the rules.

**Frank Munoz** · 02-23-2013, 08:32 PM

all praise our lord and savior
here she is gracefully forgiving all of our sins

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FissionMailed1 FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Massachusetts Age: 33 Posts: 1,267	Re: I wasn't done with atheism/theism I said I wasn't going to take this thread seriously, but JJTrixX's responses are absolutely terrible and make me really mad. __________________ YOUR THROBBING MULTIFARIOUS LUSTFUL DESIRES ARE COMPLETED N YOUR HYPER-ORANGE SELF, YOU MAKE ME LOVE AGAIN, YOU'VE CHANGED MY HEART, MY MELANCHOLIA DISAPPEARS WHEN YOU ARE INSIDE OF ME, MY HUMAN RAGE IS TEMPERED WHEN I AM INSIDE YOU, THE SECRET IS COMMUNICATION, LONGEVITY, STAMINA, REPETITION, FURY, SOULFUL KISSING, EARPLUGS. YOU FUCKING CORPORATE COCKS AND CUNTS. MY ANXIETY COMPLETE, MY DESIRE REPLETE, THE TASTE OF ORANGE BLOOD AND CUM AND GREENBACKS RUNNING DOWN MY FACE. THE STREETS WILL RUN ORANGE WITH YOUR MIXTURE OF CHEETOS AND HUNDRED DOLLAR BILLS REGURGITATED AND EATEN AND SHIT OUT AGAIN AND EATEN AGAIN. YOU ARE MY SCULPTURE, MY SCULPTRA, MY SELF-DEFINITION. MY DEFINITION OF HUMANITY, MY HARMONY. MY HEART AND MY MIND. YOU ARE SO ORANGE. SO CRUNCHY. SO CONSUMABLE. THE NEW ORANGE UNDERGROUND IS THE ORANGE UP MY ASS. AND YOUR ASS. I LOVE YOU CHEETOS.

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