I wasn't done with atheism/theism

[JJTrixX]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

This is not a hard question: You say you know God exists. How do you know?

Whatever answer I give, you will not listen, for you don't wish to know God. You seek only to mock God.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

Whatever answer I give, you will not listen, for you don't wish to know God. You seek only to mock God.

No, I'm asking you what you base your view on. Now you're deliberately avoiding the question (for reasons I think are obvious).

How do you know God exists? How can you claim to know God?

[JJTrixX]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

No, I'm asking you what you base your view on.

I base my knowledge of God through the Gospel in the Bible.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

I base my knowledge of God through the Gospel in the Bible.

And why do you consider the Bible a credible source / a source worth accepting as truth of God?

[JJTrixX]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

And why do you consider the Bible a credible source / a source worth accepting as truth of God?

1. The Bible was written by divine inspiration:

2Tim.3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God
1Thes.2:13 Ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God
Heb.1:1 God...spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets
2Pet.1:21 Men of God spake as they were moved by Holy Ghost


2. God's Word is eternally true and never fails:

1Ki.8:56 There hath not failed one word of all His good promise
Psa.119:89 Forever, O Lord, Thy Word is settled in Heaven
Psa.119:160 Every one of Thy judgements endureth forever
Isa.40:8 The Word of God shall stand forever
Isa.55:10,11 So shall My Word be...it shall accomplish...and prosper
Mat.24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words [never]
Jn.10:35b The Scripture cannot be broken (cancelled, annulled)
1Pet.1:25 The Word of the Lord endureth forever


3. The Importance of God's Word:

Deut.32:46,47 Set your heart unto all the Words...for it is not a vain thing for you; it is your life
Psa.138:2b Thou (God) hast magnified Thy Word above all Thy name

A. Jesus is the "Word made flesh":
Jn.1:1 In the beginning was the Word...and the Word was God
Jn.1:14 The Word (Jesus) was made flesh and dwelt among us
Rev.19:11-13 His (Jesus') name is called the Word of God (See also 1Jn.1:1)

B. The power of the Word:
Jn.6:63 The Words that I speak, they are spirit and they are life
Psa.33:6,9 By the the Word of the Lord were the heavens made... He spake, and it was done
Rom.1:16 Gospel of Christ...is the power of God unto salvation
Heb.11:3 The worlds were framed by the Word of God
2Pet.3:5-7 Earth...by the Word, kept in store, reserved unto fire


4. The Bible was written for our benefit:

Psa.102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come
Jn.19:35 He (John) that saw it bare record...that ye might believe
Jn.20:31 These are written that ye might believe
Rom.15:4 Written for our learning, that we through...the Scriptures might have hope
1Cor.10:11 And they are written for our admonition (See also 1Jn.5:13)


5. Keeping (obeying, heeding) the Word:

A. It's important to heed and keep the Word:
Deut.11:1 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God, and keep His...statutes, and His judgments, and His commandents, alway
Heb.2:1 We ought to give more earnest heed to the (Word)
2Pet.1:19 Sure Word...ye do well that ye take heed

B. Obeying and keeping the Word proves we know and love Jesus:
Psa.119:167 My soul kept Thy testimonies; I love them exceedingly
Jn.8:31 If ye continue in My Word, then are ye My disciples indeed
Jn.14:15 If ye love Me, keep My commandments
Jn.14:21,23 If a man love Me, he will keep My Words
Jam.1:22-24 Be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers only
1Jn.2:3 Hereby we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments
1Jn.5:3 This is the love of God...keep His commandments
2Jn.6 This is love, that we walk after His commandments
Rev.3:8 Thou...hast kept My Word, and hast not denied My name

[Reincarnate]

So you believe in the Bible because the Bible says so?

[JJTrixX]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

So you believe in the Bible because the Bible says so?

I believe in God. I believe in Gods word because it is so written in the Bible.

[HalfStep]

(clap)

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

I believe in God. I believe in Gods word because it is so written in the Bible.

checkmate


stop trolling you numpty

[Crazyjayde]

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

I believe in God. I believe in Gods word because it is so written in the Bible.

What you have listed are reasons to believe in God, which is highly insufficient to what Reincarnate asked as they do not regard the integrity of the Bible itself. To reiterate the question for better understanding: How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?

Therefore, when told about your religion you should answer that you place your faith in the Bible but not in the words of God as the only rational evidence we can observe is that God is the repercussion of the Bible, and not the other way around. You basically say "I believe in God because the Bible says so". Where is your faith in God then? In the Bible. And therefore, your faith in God consists of more faith? Would you admit that there is no rationality in that sense and therefore, no existence of God apart from in your faith?

Originally Posted by Crazyjayde

I'd like you to express your opinions on my original post, and to explain to me your viewpoint on how you consider reason and faith, and if reason can be used as a way to reinforce faith. (existence of God)

Whenever you feel like it

[Frank Munoz]

I believe in Hatsune Miku. I believe in Miku's word because it was sung in her songs.

[JJTrixX]

Originally Posted by Crazyjayde

What you have listed are reasons to believe in God, which is highly insufficient to what Reincarnate asked as they do not regard the integrity of the Bible itself. To reiterate the question for better understanding: How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?

The Bible contains Gods spoken word. The reason is because God can not lie nor change his mind. Men lie. Men change ther minds.

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19

If God lied, then I guess the Bible would not be credible. So I challenge you to find me one lie within the Bible. Good luck

The stories in the Bible are historical fact, not myths. If you can "prove to me" otherwise then you would have done something that atheists such as yourselves were not able to do for thousands of years. No theories, no excuses.

[Jake Ferguson]

Men wrote the bible through the "word of god". Men lie. (clap)

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

Yes. If I and thousands of others can find a reason to believe in God, so can you. You choose not to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

1. The Bible was written by divine inspiration:

2Tim.3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God
1Thes.2:13 Ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God
Heb.1:1 God...spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets
2Pet.1:21 Men of God spake as they were moved by Holy Ghost

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

I believe in God. I believe in Gods word because it is so written in the Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

If God lied, then I guess the Bible would not be credible. So I challenge you to find me one lie within the Bible. Good luck

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-of-proof.html



This thread is in the Critical Thinking forum. Arguments based on logical fallacies do not have merit.

[Reincarnate]

Doesn't matter, the Bible's full of stuff that's demonstrably false.
And almost nobody follows it literally -- they have to pick and choose what to follow. Kind of odd considering it's the Word of God and all...

[Crazyjayde]

Originally Posted by From TheThinkingAtheist.com

Who is Punished for Sins?

Ezekiel 18:20: The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
-> The penalty of sin is placed upon only the sinner, not the offspring.

Exodus 20:5: I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
-> The penalty of sin affects generations.

If the Bible is truly the words of God as you say so, whether he decides to bear the sins of the father upon the son or not, he would lie either way.
We've come to a loophole in the christian doctrine.

[d4u7211]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning



http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...-of-proof.html



This thread is in the Critical Thinking forum. Arguments based on logical fallacies do not have merit.

ilu <3

[Crazyjayde]

What makes me happy is the idea to reflect on my beliefs and discuss of the perceptions of the others. If that's not in your taste you have no obligation coming here and telling all of us we're a bunch of pricks for doing so and that we're all going to die eventually. I don't even think this thread was evolving half as bad as the last one. You can just pass if you are offended with people discussing their opinions, we can live with that.

[ELRayford]

"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything." -GB Shaw

Nothing has bred as much intolerance towards our fellow man as religion has. So much death and persecution has been done in the name of religion, and it's still happening.
If we are to succeed, we need to work with our fellow man and focus on fixing what is immediately important, the tangible realm of existence you and I currently reside in, not what may or may not happen in the unproven afterlife.

We need to do away with these intolerant beliefs which are holding us back, and be united not as christians or muslims or jews etc, but as the human race so that we truly explore the vastness and beauty of space, both inner and outer.

There is no need for religion, a person can live a full and rewarding life without any faith. Almost every aspect of human interaction that is claimed to come from religion is as easily and more properly attributed to instinctive survival social interactions that we share with animals. The concern that "yol'll go to hell if you don't belive" is not supported by any reputable evidence.

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

If God lied, then I guess the Bible would not be credible. So I challenge you to find me one lie within the Bible. Good luck

I will be happy to link you to sites that show places in the Bible where something is stated unambiguously, and then the exact opposite is stated unambiguously somewhere else. There are even situations in which a number's value is given very differently in different places. Would you not agree that, if two statements directly contradict each other, one must be incorrect?

Originally Posted by JJTrixX

The stories in the Bible are historical fact, not myths.

Haha oh wow, you're one of THOSE, huh?