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02-27-2013, 02:55 PM | #22 |
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Good argument up in here.
I'll make a more intelligent response later, but my gf works in a pharmacy in the bad part of town and let me tell you, trashy people on welfare exist and are abundant. Also, we care about this because ultimately we are financing these people wih our own tax dollars. |
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cigarettes werent the best example to use because that is correct by the USDA but i mean more like uneccessary products that arent vital to survival
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I have known people on both ends of the welfare scheme. I know people that use medicade for their profit, use their foodstamps to pay people in food, and use whatever they get from disability/welfare to buy alcohol. I also know people that use the system to get up from a low point in their lives, and that, I don't have any problem with at all. @spitfire That system sounds pretty good to me. Edit: I should say that I know more people in the 'used government help to work themselves out a a low point' category than the 'living on the system' category. Last edited by axith; 02-27-2013 at 03:10 PM.. |
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02-27-2013, 03:05 PM | #28 |
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this thread is funny, seems like its people who have been on EBT VS Everyone else. why does everyone assume that people only use unemployment for drugs or booze? There are some people who actually need help from this, like people who work seasonal jobs or have gotten laid off. Its not mooching off tax payers its doing what you need to do to survive, i wonder how many people on here actually support themselves 100%
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If some people are content living so poorly that they waste the little money handed to them each month, then let them. The majority of people who receive government support actually want to better themselves (I know this thread isn't about them. Just putting it into perspective). The minority just seems like a lot because a small percentage of 314 million people is still a lot of people. Besides, programs like welfare for the poor barely make a dent compared to everything else the government spends taxpayer money on.
Also, the system-abusers might get enough money to support their drug/alcohol/tobacco habits, but beyond that they're hardly living the life of luxury. There's a reason that people aren't leaving employment in droves to go on welfare, other than joking about doing so. dragonmegaxx: The fact that they're making more money than you goes to show how outdated current minimum-wage rates are, assuming that's what you're paid. It's been needing an increase. |
02-27-2013, 03:13 PM | #30 |
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If this thread is about people that misuse welfare, but not actually any sort of claim about welfare: Yeah, irresponsible people suck in general.
If this is a thread saying the system is flawed: Yes. It is flawed. But in our current political state, reform is deadly. One side would altogether eliminate, leaving people like me choosing between prescriptions for my mother's PTSD and food so that my family doesn't starve because the food banks are all darn near empty. (Wanna see some DIRECT good from your charity? Go ask a food bank what they need and donate it.) The other side would dump an absurd amount of money into social programs leaving the economy reminiscent of a teenage girl with her first credit card. No matter what this thread is about: Welfare is a necessary system that does a LOT of good. It's a real shame people misuse it, but the effects of not having it are far worse than a percentage of low-life individuals depending on it from laziness. |
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Negative images stick more than positive images. People who mooch are the ones that are seen while people who use the system how they're supposed to, no matter how much bigger this group is, are not heard of. It's like seeing an image of pretty girls and one ugly fat sow and all you'll remember is the sow, or when your horoscope (lol whoever reads that shit) says that you'll get bad luck and all you notice is bad luck despite all the good things happening to you (cognitive bias).
Don't be so quick to judge, and certainly don't make hard claims about this kind of stuff without proper evidence to back it up (for example: statistics on welfare abuse).
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Just wondering what percentage of people in this thread work jobs and support themselves 100%? How many do or have had to rely on government assistance? How many rely on their parents, student loans? This is a question I am asking in earnest. I live in Detroit and see many people struggle daily, myself and Ipatch included, and I'm not sure that many of you actually have experience with any of this first-hand.
I do not believe that people who use government aid should totally be deprived of any and all luxury items. Do you believe that people who use foodstamps should not be allowed to have cable TV? What about internet? Cell phone? Video games? New clothes? Pets? I find it interesting that you specifically mentioned alcohol and cigarettes, despite these just being luxury items like many others. |
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I've worked jobs in the past but I'm solely relying on student loan (part gift after graduation and part ongoing loan) to get through my study and pay for my food and my apartment right now.
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The fact that they are spending money is a good thing regardless of what they purchase. There are taxes on said items. Specifically Alch/Tobacco is taxed much more than other products. Honestly, It is none of your business what people purchase with their money. There is nothing that will be gained from crying about it on the internets.
Do not be butthurt because the system is broken. Go out and do something about it. Talk to the correct government officials and let them know how you feel. They are only in power because of the voters. Pick up the phone and call your local reps. A reform is needed, that is for damn sure, It will not happen by QQ'ing on FFR Forums. Take the amount of energy and time you have spent in this thread and talk to your local of age voters/representatives/etc. You will be amazed at the time they will give back to you. Even if it is a simple email to their offices. More than likely you will reach some who actually gives a fuck. |
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Since this is just a CC I'll just keep it light
-my mom has always been on welfare and hasn't had a job -she has plantar fasciitis or some shit that makes her not be able to work. -she can still work at a desk -been trying to get disability for a while -meanwhile wasted probably 5 years of her life complaining about this shit -no post secondary education -no job -no experience My mom is pretty much scum in my eyes, not gonna lie. She's probably a good example of a person who needs to be kicked off of the system and pushed face first into the harsh reality of unemployment. I know I have been living a kind life due to tax payers' money here in Canada (which seems pretty damn similar in some ways to how USA's welfare works) but I have always had this thought that if my mom was just forced into shit she would've been able to provide for her family better. Instead she sits and whines about how she hasn't been able to get a job, isn't successful and how she was meant to do awesome things or something. I don't even know anymore what her current fad is when it comes to griping about her unemployed state. All I know is that I live(d) a sad life under her care, and it's a wonder how I am even still here. tl;dr the system is actually spoon feeding people in my view, and it's actually damaging to the people who are on it. |
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There is this mentality that if someone simply works hard, then they can do whatever they want. This is simply not true. I got into university because I was born into a white middle class family in Canada and going to university was what was expected of me, so I maintained my grades with minimal effort and got in. I got my first part-time job (after several months of spraying out resumes) simply because my mum was a friend of the manager. Sometimes the amount of effort put in doesn't make a difference; sometimes people are simply dealt a bad hand in life and they need help. |
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