TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

fwiw I think that Freezin staying on me after I left is probably the correct thing to do regardless of his alignment
we are past the point of no return imo, at least for d0

This is the train of thought that lost the game for humans last game

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Lightknight924

I want to put a vote on FreezinIce based mostly off of gut feeling after looking over the pages throughout the game. There's something about his posting style that alerts "shady guy in the crowd" in my head. This is just a placement vote till the morning though so I can see what transpires in the pages to come till I come back.

I mean
this is the kind of vote I would expect from someone who I wouldn't think would break the 10 posts per phase mark and hasn't read everything

I don't think we should focus on a dude with this few posts when we have better lynches that we could pursue

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

This is the train of thought that lost the game for humans last game

not quite but not about to argue semantics
you can back off of me if you want
I don't think I'm going to back off of you
since you care about how you're perceived for some reason, then you should do whatever makes you think you're being perceived the best

[FreezinIce]

After thinking about it only person I don't like on the sunfan wagon is tokzic. Haku seems to have legit reasons but who knows if he actually believes them or is going to move on before getting what he's asking for.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

not quite but not about to argue semantics
you can back off of me if you want
I don't think I'm going to back off of you
since you care about how you're perceived for some reason, then you should do whatever makes you think you're being perceived the best

Your progression on me is based on an emotional response to a vote made with 22 hours left in the game.

Your seeing what you want to see dude.

Literally the crux of your argument is you don't like my vote. Grow up

[thesunfan]

it was actually legit tilting to see shado say "ya I see ur points but I disagree with (minor semantic point here)"

would love to hear your opinions now that the shit has died down

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Your progression on me is based on an emotional response to a vote made with 22 hours left in the game.

Your seeing what you want to see dude.

Literally the crux of your argument is you don't like my vote. Grow up

the crux of my argument is you don't say a factually correct thing in regarding my game
post 904 *cough*
yes, I was emotional, but like Yoshl said, I was making good points when I was responding to you

You saying "you're seeing what you want to see" when you have that kind of push is like that old French joke about the man cheating on his wife and she catches him

"Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?"

[FreezinIce]

The more you tunnel me the better I feel about my vote. How about you learn from the past and actually play to not tunnel. I have scumleans outside of you and there's no reason you shouldn't have the same. That would address Hakus concerns as well

[thesunfan]

will work on it for the third time

[FreezinIce]

Hey I responded to 904, check out the posts I made right after you left

[thesunfan]

"learn not to tunnel"
...
I won last game because I tunneled so if you think I'm a wolf then idk what you're saying

I don't know where to begin if you think I'm town

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

false dichotomy

your presenting two radically different viewpoints as the only options and assigning me to one of them and attacking it.

your presenting a really radical viewpoint as mine and its making me want to just tune you out.

its not a false dichotomy
fwiw bringing out logical fallacies is a big mistake I see a lot of people who think they're smart make in TWG

you presented a viewpoint
I called it false because reason a and reason b
I concluded that you were wolfy as a result (among other points)

this is not false dichotomy

a false dichotomy is saying that you're either with me or against me, with no room for neutrality (stole it from google result idc)

You can't argue that I am presenting a false dichotomy because you're not trying to be neutral, you were trying to push me

[Lightknight924]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

No, dude.
lightknight924, your only other post has been an excuse about your inactivity, and now a vote sheeping the (arguably) most widely scumread player here?
If you're playing, then play. A "placement vote" so you can "see what transpires" by morning as your second is literally bullshit.

It's not exactly bullshit just because I wanted to put some pressure on freezinice with a vote. It's pretty wild that you would make a case out of my low activity and call me out on playing just because my efforts haven't been "enough" to your liking? Would I seem more town if I posted constantly about everything going on?

Shado's post makes me feel more confident about thesunfan being town and freezin still being sketch but not oozing a real wolf vibe. Idk how to feel about you shado, I could see you trying to point me out as just part of your contribution, but it's still pretty hard focused to hate on me...idk if it's a tactic to squeeze information out of me or if you really find what I'm doing to be absurd/suspicious.

Also same goes for Charu...first to post this game and has been giving little dialect like "alright, dude" to posts like that. Can't help but feel a sense of being singled out and toyed by some mafia somewhere in the mix.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

he KNOWS I tunneled two players to death and calls it wolfy that I'm not tunneling on someone this phase.

Your half right on second look it isn't a false dichotomy, because you're only presenting one false viewpoint. I'm not calling you wolfy because your not tunneling someone. That's just a blatant exaggeration. I'm saying you not developing reads at all besides your wacked progression on me is atypical of you

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

i realized the crux of my entire argument was one single post from him i didnt like (the haku objectively the best lynch post). his reasons for voting me i didnt agree with but it isnt a crime to throw your vote around.

pretty much i couldnt find anything he was doing that was scummy and could follow his arguments against me even if i didnt agree with them completely.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I must've missed this post
the crux of your argument was NEVER
I repeat
NEVER
my post regarding Haku potentially being the best lynch
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Lightknight924

It's not exactly bullshit just because I wanted to put some pressure on freezinice with a vote. It's pretty wild that you would make a case out of my low activity and call me out on playing just because my efforts haven't been "enough" to your liking? Would I seem more town if I posted constantly about everything going on?

Shado's post makes me feel more confident about thesunfan being town and freezin still being sketch but not oozing a real wolf vibe. Idk how to feel about you shado, I could see you trying to point me out as just part of your contribution, but it's still pretty hard focused to hate on me...idk if it's a tactic to squeeze information out of me or if you really find what I'm doing to be absurd/suspicious.

Also same goes for Charu...first to post this game and has been giving little dialect like "alright, dude" to posts like that. Can't help but feel a sense of being singled out and toyed by some mafia somewhere in the mix.

Bro, you came back in the thread, said you don't like freezin because he feels like "shady dude in the corner" and then went away with a vote without so much as showing or telling why.

Inactive or not, but you suddenly popping up in the middle of that makes it all the more curious. So excuse me if I think your post and vote right there are extremely jarring and sudden.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Lightknight924

Would I seem more town if I posted constantly about everything going on?

Maybe, but I do think everyone would appreciate you posting more.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I must've missed this post
the crux of your argument was NEVER
I repeat
NEVER
my post regarding Haku potentially being the best lynch
??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

That was @shado about charu, not you

[thesunfan]

I am going to play some Civ 5
I will reread the thread when I'm done and I'll have opinions on everyone when I finish that

would love everyone to comment on #904 if you haven't already

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

it was actually legit tilting to see shado say "ya I see ur points but I disagree with (minor semantic point here)"

would love to hear your opinions now that the shit has died down

...and where do I say that?

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I didn't want to get involved because the more you post rn the better. I think you're going off a little too hard on Freezin tbh. I had him as top scum in my notes last night but he's had at least one post today that's made me reconsider.
Also his post saying you being in the background reminds him of recent wolfgames isn't as 0/10 as you think. I can see where he's coming from. Even when tunneling me, you didn't really push on me, you kind of called out stuff here and there and let other peeps do the dirty work for you. I don't agree with his conclusion on you, but I think you should consider building a backup wagon as well.

How is acknowledging that Freezin had a point (at the time) about saying you being in the background is reminiscent of last game IN ANY WAY semantics?
I didn't feel much pressure from you last game. You keep saying you were tunneling me, but really that just means that you didn't move your vote. You didn't do much to maintain it though, comfortable in the knowledge that I'd get lynched. You might've placed the first vote, but I remember even saying early in D1 (first phase where I got pressure) that it felt like you were in the background cheering on AA to a mislynch.

If your push on Freezin had taken place after the Haku debacle, I would've wholeheartedly supported you (I had him as solid scum then)
As it is now, I think you guys are T/T. I don't know why you have 4 votes on you, and its weird that two of them are Haku/Tokzic. I'd suggest you step back and re-read Freezin's posts while imagining he's talking about someone else. Don't even look at the content 'cause you'll be biased, just read his posts and tell me he doesn't earnestly believe what he's writing.

I think I'm just gonna post my notes so y'all can see my initial reads. Obviously my notes will not be alignment indicative because I wrote them before joining game, but maybe it'll at least show you guys where I'm coming from.