8th Official FFR Tournament - Final Round!

[Shouka]

Walk on Water is definitely harder for me

[Hateandhatred]

D4 file dead, AAA or die this round and my prediction being everyone AAAs or don't submit lmfao.

[badman7772]

Told everyone in the preview I'd AAA! See y'all next week.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

D4 file dead, AAA or die this round and my prediction being everyone AAAs or don't submit lmfao.

Frankly I think it's the top of D4 that is and will find this file easy because they're AAAing VCs pretty well while there's others in the division that are barely AAAing VCs yet and will find this really difficult. There are people sitting in the teens right now and that's on multiple tries for a few that I looked into cause I was curious if it was like one play and quit deal or if they actually tried a few times.

[TC_Halogen]

It's surprising to see all of the "laughable ratings" comments that I was the one who even leveraged this file to have a higher rating, and during testing I thought this file was significantly harder than last round. Considering that I am able to play these files with indifference since these files are way below my normal level of play, I honestly cannot even comprehend how Walk on Water is even close to comparable in terms of difficulty to Touch Me, considering that the file has more rigid patterns, is considerably faster, and has roughly the same density as Touch Me in the non-difficult areas. There is a lot more going on in this chart than last round, the song is considerably faster, and the pattern choices are nowhere near as friendly as last round.

[gabrieljd]

Touch Me is extremely hard unless you mute it.

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Frankly I think it's the top of D4 that is and will find this file easy because they're AAAing VCs pretty well while there's others in the division that are barely AAAing VCs yet and will find this really difficult. There are people sitting in the teens right now and that's on multiple tries for a few that I looked into cause I was curious if it was like one play and quit deal or if they actually tried a few times.

Well, that would make sense.

However, it's more like I saw it from a different angle. In case of an AAA or die situation, quickly looking at the crowd, I don't think anyone would be really pressured to AAA that. It's possible of course, say if someone has really particular problems with what we can find in the file and required to push a LOT to achieve an AAA, but overall... It doesn't seem to be so bad.

Now I'm not saying "everyone who can't AAA that sucks", but a wayyyy beyond cutoff AAA fest is my prediction for this round. And it sits REALLY high at its current difficulty imo =P Surprised it's even above 50, although that's just a personnal impression tbh.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

It's surprising to see all of the "laughable ratings" comments that I was the one who even leveraged this file to have a higher rating, and during testing I thought this file was significantly harder than last round. Considering that I am able to play these files with indifference since these files are way below my normal level of play, I honestly cannot even comprehend how Walk on Water is even close to comparable in terms of difficulty to Touch Me, considering that the file has more rigid patterns, is considerably faster, and has roughly the same density as Touch Me in the non-difficult areas. There is a lot more going on in this chart than last round, the song is considerably faster, and the pattern choices are nowhere near as friendly as last round.

Honestly, I feel like it's because the harder and faster elements are more spaced away from each others, giving the player more time to pick it back up, and all patterns flow so much it's easy to transition through. Touch Me had rolls that were easy to hit an early good on, or minijacks harder to transition off and on, leading to split goods etc.

This is just a suggestion, but maybe your super ability to play the game makes you not realize these obstacles, since you would barely ever call that flowing through a pattern. Of course I'm not assuming that lol, I don't have enough experience and knowledge of different types of players to say that this is a main possibility, and I certainly don't understand files nearly as well as you, but just an hypothesis I could see as a weaker player.

Also I think subin once said something about that during the 6th tourney...

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

This is just a suggestion, but maybe your super ability to play the game makes you not realize these obstacles, since you would barely ever call that flowing through a pattern. Of course I'm not assuming that lol, I don't have enough experience and knowledge of different types of players to say that this is a main possibility, and I certainly don't understand files nearly as well as you, but just an hypothesis I could see as a weaker player.

Also I think subin once said something about that during the 6th tourney...

This can kinda be said the same for the higher D4 players that are finding this song easier for themselves or to people who this plays to their strengths. I went back to look through some of the people again who haven't managed to SDG and these people have actually tried significantly. I saw 93 plays on someone who doesn't have an SDG on it yet.

[Hakulyte]

I feel like hating on that part.


I also think Walk on Water is easier than Touch me because it only needs very small speed peaks on some parts and it's easier to deal with than accurately reading 32nd patterns but I'm biaised when it comes to 32nd so whatever..

[Gmanyo]

Gah, three minutes? I can't AAA these d1 songs, my hands shake when I'm nervous. If I AAA the d2 song can that count instead?

[Garquillex]

Walk on Water is faster but has no patterns that were even mildly hard to read for me, while Touch Me has some patterns I can't even read.

[Raining Nails]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

It's surprising to see all of the "laughable ratings" comments that I was the one who even leveraged this file to have a higher rating, and during testing I thought this file was significantly harder than last round. Considering that I am able to play these files with indifference since these files are way below my normal level of play, I honestly cannot even comprehend how Walk on Water is even close to comparable in terms of difficulty to Touch Me, considering that the file has more rigid patterns, is considerably faster, and has roughly the same density as Touch Me in the non-difficult areas. There is a lot more going on in this chart than last round, the song is considerably faster, and the pattern choices are nowhere near as friendly as last round.

For me "Walk on Water" is one of those files that a lot of players will either find really easy or fairly challenging at this level and it is strongly based on skillset. I AAA'd on my second try and I don't have many AAA's above difficulty 57. However, I can see where a lot of the random bursts and speed will trip some players at this level up - especially those that are better at streamy type songs with easier/more clear patterns.

After playing this game for years and watching the difficulty subforums it has got to be a difficult process rating these songs to account for all the different strengths. For some this song is a 50. For others it is definitely a 59. Coming to a consensus is necessary but isn't always easy.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Raining Nails

After playing this game for years and watching the difficulty subforums it has got to be a difficult process rating these songs to account for all the different strengths. For some this song is a 50. For others it is definitely a 59. Coming to a consensus is necessary but isn't always easy.

I said a few time that this is a file that plays to some people's strengths. This is the case with a lot of files on FFR. I find 59 a little high for my opinion of the file but I by no means think this is easier than touch me in overall scoring difficulty.

[Gmanyo]

I'm pretty sure Walk on Water is easier than Blue Marine. That swing jumpstream at the end of Blue Marine is hella annoying. Then again, what do I know, I'm d1.

[~Zeta~]

Originally Posted by FFR Pro 21

So, just in case if anyone is wondering, here are the D7 standings after round 1 (i love you and Ziergdsx18 are not on here as they didn't play the round 1 song).

I hope nobody minds me helping keep track of the D7 standings for the tournament.

I like this cuz it gives your actual rank (dashboard still just counts up by position [1,2,3,4,5,etc.])

Don't expect Rank 1's to change much lol.

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

This can kinda be said the same for the higher D4 players that are finding this song easier for themselves or to people who this plays to their strengths. I went back to look through some of the people again who haven't managed to SDG and these people have actually tried significantly. I saw 93 plays on someone who doesn't have an SDG on it yet.

Makes me curious then.

I guess the first thing I should do after AAAing myself is to find these fellow D4ers who are having trouble and try my best to help them brutalizing this file so the competition in the division can be even tighter! >=)

Of course, with no pretention of being the Walk on Water guru, but more in a way of tightening rivalries with people =P

[FFR Pro 21]

Originally Posted by ~Zeta~

Don't expect Rank 1's to change much lol.

Lol. The way you guys smash those keys, I'm expecting a few rank 1's to last deep into the tournament.

[LaZboy77]

Managed to AAA Walk on Water before heading out to school. Well . . . see you guys next week.

[thesunfan]

Walk on Water is getting destroyed in here lmao.
It was my first VC SRAAA and my 1000th overall AAA, so that's cool I guess.
cya next week guys.

[8 Hour Whore]

In my opinion Walk on Water is easier because it doesn't just focus on one skill set too harshly. It's a well done file honestly. I for one have only 2 lvl 59 AAAs and they're my highest AAAs which to me are much harder then Walk on Water. I'd give it myself a 54-56. The ending doesn't get insanely tricky like in Touch Me. Which was the cause of most peoples non-AAAs for round 1.