ATTENTION EVERYONE: Start posting on the official Stepmania forum.

[Quakes]

i like big milk shakes

[JohnnyLeven]

I've realized for a while now that the SM devs are not going to cater to the SM Keyboard community. Even if we stick our heads out there and try out best to be heard, if the devs want to develop a dancing game, they will develop a dancing game. What we need is our own SM keyboard development team. I decided a while back that once a non CVS version of SM 4 is released, I'm going to get the source code and develop some features myself.

[Sniper257]

Ugh. You guys DO realize that the results screen is customizable and if you want to show more results, code it in! Also, for the Guitar Hero argument, well that's how it was meant to be played, so it's played like that. SM was meant to be played on pad, so of course us from SM.com are going to think that. We're right, you're wrong. That simple. Kthxbai.

[uselessaccount]

haha you probably suck

[Arch0wl]

Originally Posted by midiman

I also play pad and im not an AAA master, but there's less tension there because there's an actual phsyical limitation and learning curve to it, and a decently large one.

I play pad as well and some time in late March or early April I am about to release a pack, done entirely by Darkmage and myself, that contains roughly 70 pad files. Keep in mind I'm not trying to overtake pad and believe pad and keyboard modes can coexist in the game without catering to one or the other.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

For A0 to go over to Sm.com and try to fight Pad players for such little changes is just stupid

I'm not "going over to SM.com" to "fight pad players" for changes. I've had an account registered at Stepmania.com for quite some time, and only recently after I suggested a 7-arrow mode did I realize that a small minority of the people on stepmania.com are making decisions for players that outnumber them a hundredfold.

You're mistaking being a polemic for being concerned with our voices being heard. I've dealt with this issue since I've been in the community, and I don't think it's fair to currently have such disregard on the part of the SM higher-ups when we (FFR, ODI, RFraction, SMO, and the various international SM communities in Sweden, Chile, Italy, France, China, and elswhere) are the reason SM is ranked what it is on alexa in the first place.

Originally Posted by tweak

first off, if i knew it was arch i wouldnt even have wasted my time posting in that other thread.

OK? What do you expect to gain by saying this other than expressing how low your opinion of me is? It's not related to the issue.

Originally Posted by tweak

SM is there to emulate other music games-and thats what the dev team works on.

SM, like all open-source projects, is there to be what the community wants it to be. Your description ("SM is this and the devs will decide that") follows more of a closed-source design, such as DWI.

Originally Posted by tweak62

hi everybody, im mr 320 posts

i just find it awfully funny that i state my opinion and people go nuts

No one cares about your opinion. They care about being a part of a vast majority that plays SM and being ignored by the people that create it.

Originally Posted by tweak62

god forbid people should use their feet to play a game called stepmania

go mod the source and make your own game for...button...hitting...revolution?

and i love the fact you guys want to "further" smo but no dont want to post at the place they make it! how grand!

We shouldn't have to make an alternate game for what we've been doing in the first place. We outnumber you by a very large margin. The stepmania.com website is synonymous with stepmania whether you like it or not, and being in such a centralized location means that to make an alternate build is to become something different entirely, when so many keyboard sites, simfiles, and what have you are so entwined with it.

Saying what you're suggesting would not only take vastly more work than to convince the developers to cater to our needs, but it would split the community. I don't think you're really quite aware how many keyboard communities there are in the first place.

Originally Posted by midiman

uh, isn't that what arch0wl and everyone else is doing ( Not on purpose but most of the people who act like they're getting bullied.. ) ?

I can't speak for anyone else, but my posts on stepmania.com, here, ODI, RF, and SMO were to rally people to start a keyboard presence on the official forum so that our voices will be heard by the developers. The only reason you can get away with such dismissive, condescending comments like the ones you've said earlier is because there are none of us around to hear it.

Originally Posted by midiman

no-one here seems to wants to have people stop hating them, I'm guessing they like it this way

The goal is not to be liked but rather to have our voice recognized by the developers and have features such as anti-cheat, better and more extensive mods, the features outlined in this theme and 7-arrow mode (among others) implemented into the default game.

Originally Posted by midiman

this is one thing, but every communities retards over-shadow the intelligents. its the same case with Keyboard players and our view upon them, except there's barely no way to make content for the game, which means no smart people

ODI currently houses two people that have gotten perfect scores on the SAT, multiple people that have been accepted to ivy-league or equivalent universities such as MIT, and an average IQ of 115 according to results from iqtest.dk, a test normed by MENSA Denmark. SAT scores above 2000 are commonplace in academic ODI threads.

Additionally, two other users (not the same ones with perfect SATs) have scored in the 99th percentile of the LSAT, the test which is basically the anchor weight on law school admission: Kefit and Reach. Reach, in addition, has scored in the 99.999th percentile on DAT reasoning, and another popular contributor to the scene, t0rajir0u, scored 1270 on the old style SAT in 6th grade.

In other words, your characterization of keyboard players as unintelligent has no basis.

Originally Posted by Sniper

SM was MEANT TO BE PLAYED on pad, so of course us from SM.com are going to think that. We're right, you're wrong. That simple. Kthxbai.

Calm down and act like an adult. We outnumber you substantially, thus you will lose if you attempt to reduce the conflict to a shouting match.

[Sniper257]

Ok, no longer a shouting war.

[robertsona]

two admins :O
p.s. this thread sucks
EDIT: jk arch0wl you rule
EDIT2: hi tass
EDIT3: hi plague

[MixMasterLar]

Arch0wl: Im just wondering...If we have a 4Key, 5Key, 6Key, 8Key, and 10Key already in SM, why do we need a 7Key?

If adding in speed mods is easily done by editing the /ini/, why does it anger you that they wont do that simple task for you?

Why isnt ODI letting me login? And what idea that's there is so awesome?

We'll always have Cheaters...

And ps Will one of the admins move this out of the Brag Board?

[EnR]

I bet all the pad players who complain about keyboard files are the pussys because they complain about something that is too hard rooofl.

And they prob suck at keyboard so they use their pad skills to say we suck.

[Tasselfoot]

I've kindly requested for Plaguefox to comment in this thread... as he likely has the strongest ties into both the pad and keyboard communities in the world. Not in terms of his playing, clearly... but in terms of his positions on the SM Dev Team as well as serving as an Admin here on FFR.

I'd have commented myself, but I have long since lost touch with the SM community.

[Sniper257]

Originally Posted by EnR

I bet all the pad players who complain about keyboard files are the pussys because they complain about something that is too hard rooofl.

And they prob suck at keyboard so they use their pad skills to say we suck.

Umm pad is way harder to get good at then keyboard, so yeah we can use it to say you suck. I also play keyboard once in a while because my pad is dead right now, and I can easily pass hard 13's, so no we don't all suck at keyboard play, we just don't like it.

[foilman8805]

We should all go onto the SM boards and act like complete assholes...

[uselessaccount]

Originally Posted by Sniper257

Umm pad is way harder to get good at then keyboard, so yeah we can use it to say you suck. I also play keyboard once in a while because my pad is dead right now, and I can easily pass hard 13's, so no we don't all suck at keyboard play, we just don't like it.

the fact that you refer to songs using feet levels already shows your absence in knowledge. There's no universal system for difficulty <_<
and rofl if you mean pass hard 13s as in in the groove stuff then you really do suck

[Sniper257]

Umm, well why the **** would I know how you people rate things?

[robertsona]

wow a lot of people viewing this thread. p.s. wtf is this. hi omgitznpv

[uselessaccount]

Originally Posted by Sniper257

I can easily pass hard 13's

Originally Posted by Sniper257

Umm, well why the **** would I know how you people rate things?

thats right you don't. Plus im know for a fact your community doesn't have a "grading system" either. Even Konami has a terrible grading system for songs

[omgitznpv]

Robert, please stop postwhoring. As for this, I haven't read the entire thread- simply no time.

I might consider this, however.

[midimanXG]

ok I have a better idea than mindless arguing each points against eachother, and it only requires me talking to arch0wl privately.

so, Arch0wl, do me a favor and AIM me up sometime ( BreakfastPirateX ).

[EnR]

Originally Posted by dore

Guitar Hero sucks because it's not like a real guitar wheeeeeeeeeeeee

It's the same retarded argument, basically.

You see thousands of comments on youtube about this kind of stuff.

*Person plays GH3 on video and does extremly well*
*Fags comment non-stop saying "Learn how to play a real guitar, this means nothing"

[Waffl3]

Quote from stepmania.com : midiman.
who cares about Keyboard players.

go get hit by a truck