Super Smash Brothers Brawl

[zidart]

Originally Posted by Shoe The Almighty

I got a question:

Does it lag more if you play against unknown people online, than people who you added with brawl codes?

i have more lag with friends than random people but i seldom get lag anyway

[Shoe The Almighty]

I barley get to play online because it lags so much, so I want to know if it's easier to play with brawl code matches.

Okay does anyone know how to put brawl replays on the computer? I want to put some of my matches on youtube.

[l2awr]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Sonic isn't truly that bad.

He's like a mirror opposite of ganondorf.

Except that it's easier to overcome lack of strength with speed, than it is to overcome slowness with power.

And Link is only bad in the sense that he could be better. He's still rather well balanced and not a bad character overall, even if there are more effective choices.

That's kind of what we're getting at when we say tier lists are stupid. Even the worst tiers aren't even truly bad characters, they just have weaknesses which are generally more difficult to overcome than other character's.

No they both. Even if you are GOOD with them, you can't keep up with a better character/player. Won't happen

[ducky285]

Sonic can't KO until higher percentages and his main KO moves are hard to land (to be specific, his KO moves are b-air, f-smash and u-air - d-smash and u-smash won't KO Zelda until about 175%). He doesn't build damage well and his priority is lacking. Also, his moves tend to be slow or laggy, which is unusual considering his speed.

His speed is a big plus, though. It allows him to dodge attacks easily and to utilize a hit-and-run style of play. His recovery is pretty good, too. Up and down smashes have good range.

Link has a ton of moves that are slow, laggy or both. He can easily be out camped because his projectiles are slow. He also lacks mobility and his recovery, though improved, is not all that great. His grab is slow and laggy (like most chars with extended grabs) making shield grabbing tough. Even then, his throws are subpar.

His range is pretty good, though. He can reliably KO with a lot of moves. He can block certain projectiles by standing still. He's also fairly heavy. Barring gimp kills, he is pretty hard to KO. His air clawshot is a good approaching tool. His bombs are great projectiles, especially when combined with glide tossing.

[zidart]

Originally Posted by l2awr

No they both. Even if you are GOOD with them, you can't keep up with a better character/player. Won't happen

the character you use is not as important as the skill you have. even a top tier character can be beaten to a low tier character if you truly know how to use it... but of course you just can't admit that you suck with those characters

[l2awr]

Originally Posted by zidart

the character you use is not as important as the skill you have. even a top tier character can be beaten to a low tier character if you truly know how to use it... but of course you just can't admit that you suck with those characters

lol go show me a video of a good link or sonic. Until then keep your ignorance to yourself

[tsugomaru]

His point is, if all you do with Fox is use his really fast teleport move off the stage, you have no hope beating a Link who knows how to use his entire move set to his advantage.

Basically, just because you play a top tier character doesn't mean you automatically win.

~Tsugomaru

[l2awr]

Originally Posted by tsugomaru

His point is, if all you do with Fox is use his really fast teleport move off the stage, you have no hope beating a Link who knows how to use his entire move set to his advantage.

Basically, just because you play a top tier character doesn't mean you automatically win.

~Tsugomaru

That doesn't mean the character is good LOL. That means his opponent is BAD.

[Squeek]

Originally Posted by l2awr

lol go show me a video of a good link or sonic. Until then keep your ignorance to yourself

That doesn't mean the character is good LOL. That means his opponent is BAD.

That doesn't mean the character is bad LOL. That means the player is BAD.

hey guys i dont see a video on youtube of someone winning a fight with this character that means he sucks ass mirite lol

hey guys fox beat him in this video here look here see look fox wins that means he's BAD LOL

[Kamunt]

Originally Posted by Squeek

That doesn't mean the character is bad LOL. That means the player is BAD.

hey guys i dont see a video on youtube of someone winning a fight with this character that means he sucks ass mirite lol

hey guys fox beat him in this video here look here see look fox wins that means he's BAD LOL

Thank you so much Squeek, for summarizing what would've taken me a half-hour's worth of time to say. <_<;

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by l2awr

lol go show me a video of a good link or sonic. Until then keep your ignorance to yourself

Rawr I can show you a great link right now. Use Pit, or zelda and play me.

Untill then, keep your ignorance to yourself, Unless of course you're just a horrible player.

[l2awr]

Originally Posted by Squeek

That doesn't mean the character is bad LOL. That means the player is BAD.

hey guys i dont see a video on youtube of someone winning a fight with this character that means he sucks ass mirite lol

hey guys fox beat him in this video here look here see look fox wins that means he's BAD LOL

Are you retarded? No seriously, are you?

Characters in this game have move sets that allow for you to do certain things to either rack up damage, or kill MIRITE? Some characters have ****TY movesets that don't allow for you to do too much.

For example, DeDeDe can chainthrow most characters to the end of a stage and rack up a good amount of damage each time, if he gets you chain grabbed against a wall you are going to lose over 100%, he has the gordo things that make for good camping, and blocking projectiles. He has extremely strong attacks, and hes a crazy ass tank that is pretty hard to kill. His mulitple jumps allow him to edge guard well. He's easily one of the best characters in the game.

Now Sonic. What moves of his lead into combos?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8N5LwAGsv7s&feature=related

Well heres a video of a decent looking sonic. Watch him play. How many of his moves lead into combos? Like none? How could is he for edge guarding? Not very good. Any chain grabs? No. Infinites? No. Is he strong? No. Does he die fairly easy? He's light, so yes. Is he good? Nope, sorry.

Now the logic is OBVIOUSLY very hard to understand for you, but things like that are what makes and breaks characters. Agree if you want, I don't care because you are not good at the game and don't know it well.

[l2awr]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Rawr I can show you a great link right now. Use Pit, or zelda and play me.

Untill then, keep your ignorance to yourself, Unless of course you're just a horrible player.

Do you lag? If you don't then I'll gladly rape you lol

[tsugomaru]

I'm actually going to have to side with 12awr here. If you're playing with equal skilled people, it's not unusual that a "better" character will beat the other. Especially if the map comes down to just Final Destination, no items.

I can't think of a case where that would be true in SSBB yet because I'm not all too good and I've never played online and only with my friends. And we always have all items on except for stopwatch and we random our maps. I started to random my characters as well because I want to get better with characters other than Link and Snake.

However, I can think of other games where PVP is exactly like that. Take World of Warcraft, no matter how skilled I am as a priest, an equally skilled warrior will always beat me in PVP 100% of the time. It's just a fact I can't get around.

~Tsugomaru

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by l2awr

Do you lag? If you don't then I'll gladly rape you lol

I don't lag. PM me your freind code. Mine is in my sig.

[Squeek]

Stop double posting.

Seriously, next time you do it, it's a ban.

I agree with you that Sonic sucks ass, but your reasoning for it is retarded.

Just because YOU PERSONALLY never saw a video of someone playing well with a character doesn't mean the character automatically sucks. It's just like what we were saying a few pages ago against the person who said Pit was terrible solely because he never saw someone play well with Pit.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by l2awr

Are you retarded? No seriously, are you?

Characters in this game have move sets that allow for you to do certain things to either rack up damage, or kill MIRITE? Some characters have ****TY movesets that don't allow for you to do too much.

For example, DeDeDe can chainthrow most characters to the end of a stage and rack up a good amount of damage each time, if he gets you chain grabbed against a wall you are going to lose over 100%, he has the gordo things that make for good camping, and blocking projectiles. He has extremely strong attacks, and hes a crazy ass tank that is pretty hard to kill. His mulitple jumps allow him to edge guard well. He's easily one of the best characters in the game.

Now Sonic. What moves of his lead into combos?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8N5LwAGsv7s&feature=related

Well heres a video of a decent looking sonic. Watch him play. How many of his moves lead into combos? Like none? How could is he for edge guarding? Not very good. Any chain grabs? No. Infinites? No. Is he strong? No. Does he die fairly easy? He's light, so yes. Is he good? Nope, sorry.

Now the logic is OBVIOUSLY very hard to understand for you, but things like that are what makes and breaks characters. Agree if you want, I don't care because you are not good at the game and don't know it well.

You're ****ing stupid.

That Sonic player was playing it like garbage. Made so many mistakes right off the bat, and couldn't even connect a hit on the slow-ass Bowser before taking multiple hits on himself. At one point he even left himself open to a Bowser's slow**** forward smash. I could play Sonic better than that and I suck major ass at Sonic in particular.

And no, no one is saying Sonic is a good character or something. We're just saying that even though he might be far from the best, he is still more than capable when put in the hands of a player who is both competent with that particular moveset and knows general tactical rules of gameplay.

ps you talk about infinite chain grabs and that ****... THOSE ARE ****ING PROGRAMMING OVERSIGHTS, YOU JACKASS. No, you are not supposed to ****ing pin your enemy in a corner and rack up potentially infinite damage. THAT IS JUST ****ING STUPID, and it's **** like that that's gamebreaking.

edit: btw i would say that sonic has PRECISELY the same combo potential as Pikachu and Pikachu is apparently considered a worthwhile character

[DarkManticoreX2]

I think I'm beginning like Afrobean.

On a side note, I have a freind who is very good with sonic. Most of sonic's attacks rack up damage, but his back kick and regular forward smash are very powerful after 70+ damage.

[korny]

l2awr my friends sonic on smashboards would whoop your ass bro. It's too early to dictate tier characters give me a break.

[zidart]

i tried with sonic XD i couldn't get used to him because his killer is a side smash and i'm used to defeat my enemies by sending them up (unless is a heavy character) soo i guess i could use sonic against slow characters