New Songs! Coming?

[potasium56]

Hello

Am curious, are the devs going to add more songs to ffr or is 2,139 songs the max ffr will ever have?

I feel there aren't many song between 20 to 40 compared to the higher level songs.

[I like it]

is 2139 not enough????????????

[potasium56]

Originally Posted by I like it

is 2139 not enough????????????

Nope

[xXOpkillerXx]

Hi there,

New songs are added every ~2 weeks. Enjoy.

[potasium56]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

Hi there,

New songs are added every ~2 weeks. Enjoy.

really, haven't seen any new level 20 to 40 songs....they must be favoring high level songs then.....or not adding them in batches to be noticeable. If new songs where added they would show in my unplayed list....have all songs played up to level 50 sooo if new songs were added between 1 to 40 it would be in there. right?

Just feel, high level songs outnumber mid level songs...

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by potasium56

really, haven't seen any new level 20 to 40 songs....they must be favoring high level songs then.....or not adding them in batches to be noticeable. If new songs where added they would show in my unplayed list....have all songs played up to level 50 sooo if new songs were added between 1 to 40 it would be in there. right?

Just feel, high level songs outnumber mid level songs...

Difficulties range from 1 to 110. You ask for 20 to 40. That's about 18% of the whole range. With 2 new songs coming every 2 weeks, you'd have to expect approximately 1-(90/110)² = 33% chance to get one per release, and about 81% chance to get at least one per month. That being said, a 34 and a 30 were released in april. So yeah, I feel the rate is alright for the range you're asking for. Enjoy.

[potasium56]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

Difficulties range from 1 to 110. You ask for 20 to 40. That's about 18% of the whole range. With 2 new songs coming every 2 weeks, you'd have to expect approximately 1-(90/110)² = 33% chance to get one per release, and about 81% chance to get at least one per month. That being said, a 34 and a 30 were released in april. So yeah, I feel the rate is alright for the range you're asking for. Enjoy.

wow, 2 songs every 2 weeks is ridiculous. Add about 20 per 2 weeks

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by potasium56

wow, 2 songs every 2 weeks is ridiculous. Add about 20 per 2 weeks

wow, go for it m8 shit a few quality charts I can't wait to play them tommorow. Enjoy.

[AutotelicBrown]

Originally Posted by potasium56

wow, 2 songs every 2 weeks is ridiculous. Add about 20 per 2 weeks

I'll even dare say we should add 20 each week!

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

Difficulties range from 1 to 110. You ask for 20 to 40. That's about 18% of the whole range. With 2 new songs coming every 2 weeks, you'd have to expect approximately 1-(90/110)² = 33% chance to get one per release, and about 81% chance to get at least one per month. That being said, a 34 and a 30 were released in april. So yeah, I feel the rate is alright for the range you're asking for. Enjoy.

The distribution of songs per difficulty is closer to a Gaussian distribution.

[blindreper1179]

If you'd look at the front page, you'd notice they add songs every two weeks. They also show what difficulty they are as well. Take two minutes and look around.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by potasium56

Hello

Am curious, are the devs going to add more songs to ffr or is 2,139 songs the max ffr will ever have?

I feel there aren't many song between 20 to 40 compared to the higher level songs.

Song releases have slowed for a couple of reasons, one of them being the upcoming official tournament. Judgments in that process have been a bit on the slower side because of other engagements. Most of the people that are helping to maintain the game have actual lives outside of the game and the maintenance of it is purely a hobby.

With that being said, you also need to understand that the game's developers have nothing to do with the production of the actual content itself; they produce features for the game's engines and handle other side-wite design/development. All of the content that is produced for the game comes from players like yourself, all of which learned how to create content. If you're interested in contributing, take a look at the FAQ in the section that talks about how to contribute to the site. The information is slightly dated on the tools that you can use, particularly with the creation of a new editor called ArrowVortex, but that should at least get you started in the process.

The point that you made about there not being enough fresh content in that difficulty range, no matter how valid, can be addressed through the creation of new content in that area. Take a look at charts that are in game, particularly ones that have been put in within the last 3-4 years, and figure out how they go about structuring themselves with the music.

EDIT: It is also quite clear that you're not quite familiar with the process on how content is submitted, aggregated, judged/reviewed, and released as well. It is not as simple as files being judged in a moment's notice and determined to be of reasonable quality. There are bi-monthly batches that occur and content is submitted to them, with reviews happening after each closure. Files are queued and stored for future usage.

[potasium56]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Song releases have slowed for a couple of reasons, one of them being the upcoming official tournament. Judgments in that process have been a bit on the slower side because of other engagements. Most of the people that are helping to maintain the game have actual lives outside of the game and the maintenance of it is purely a hobby.

With that being said, you also need to understand that the game's developers have nothing to do with the production of the actual content itself; they produce features for the game's engines and handle other side-wite design/development. All of the content that is produced for the game comes from players like yourself, all of which learned how to create content. If you're interested in contributing, take a look at the FAQ in the section that talks about how to contribute to the site. The information is slightly dated on the tools that you can use, particularly with the creation of a new editor called ArrowVortex, but that should at least get you started in the process.

The point that you made about there not being enough fresh content in that difficulty range, no matter how valid, can be addressed through the creation of new content in that area. Take a look at charts that are in game, particularly ones that have been put in within the last 3-4 years, and figure out how they go about structuring themselves with the music.

Okay can you answer this...

So, lets say there are 5 songs that are accepted. So what does the ffr devs do with the extra 3 songs? "Store Them" and wait another 2 weeks to release them? this whole thread is me and opkiller trying to see if you store songs.

Hes saying you don't

But i say you do cause you probably accept more songs that 2 to be released right?

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

EDIT: It is also quite clear that you're not quite familiar with the process on how content is submitted, aggregated, judged/reviewed, and released as well. It is not as simple as files being judged in a moment's notice and determined to be of reasonable quality. There are bi-monthly batches that occur and content is submitted to them, with reviews happening after each closure. Files are queued and stored for future usage.

I will reiterate this.

[TC_Halogen]

As I've said before, you're not understanding the flow of content into the game. Files are naturally going to be stored: batches are run every two months for users to freely send content, and after the submission period for a given period is closed, the files are sent out to judges for review. All of the files that are deemed high enough quality for the game are placed in a queue and are available for release as the Game Management team sees fit.

Something else that you should realize as well: content has been submitted to FFR by users for a very long time, and other files may have been prioritized ahead for various reasons. One of them is to prevent inundation of files that are at the same range all in at one shot (the official tournament is one such situation where this already happens). Additionally, certain files are kept for token releases.

Also, files that were planned on being used for official tournament purposes but didn't make the final roster are occasionally saved for the next iteration.

Please take the time to understand the submission process from start to finish before making complaints about the lack of content, or the "storage" of content. FFR users that have been around for a while will tell you that there is nothing out of the ordinary about this process — in fact, files are being released faster than they used to be. Some users had files release almost three years after their submission acceptance (sorry hi19hi19, haha). It's just how things worked out.

[potasium56]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

As I've said before, you're not understanding the flow of content into the game. Files are naturally going to be stored: batches are run every two months for users to freely send content, and after the submission period for a given period is closed, the files are sent out to judges for review. All of the files that are deemed high enough quality for the game are placed in a queue and are available for release as the Game Management team sees fit.

Something else that you should realize as well: content has been submitted to FFR by users for a very long time, and other files may have been prioritized ahead for various reasons. One of them is to prevent inundation of files that are at the same range all in at one shot (the official tournament is one such situation where this already happens). Additionally, certain files are kept for token releases.

Also, files that were planned on being used for official tournament purposes but didn't make the final roster are occasionally saved for the next iteration.

Please take the time to understand the submission process from start to finish before making complaints about the lack of content, or the "storage" of content. FFR users that have been around for a while will tell you that there is nothing out of the ordinary about this process — in fact, files are being released faster than they used to be. Some users had files release almost three years after their submission acceptance (sorry hi19hi19, haha). It's just how things worked out.

So could you guys be able to submit more then 2 songs every 2 weeks?

Edit - also how many songs do you guys have stored....if i knew it might help me stay playing so i know eventually there will be more songs

[TC_Halogen]

You're making assumptions about the flow of content, the availability of said content, and additionally making implications about there being large reserves of files where content can be released at a much higher rate. All of that is incorrect.

You continue to refer to the content creators of the game as "developers", when the developers of the game and the site themselves have nothing to do with neither the process of content creation nor the judgment process.

You keep mentioning that we receive more than two song submissions every two weeks. The submission process is something that occurs in two-month cycles, where after every two months, files are judged accordingly. At that point, files are quality checked to determine whether or not they are good enough to be placed into a queue for release. There is no "cron job" auto-release of two songs every two weeks. Acting like you have some sort of developmental insight on some automated system is not going to help any sort of argument that you have when you're struggling to understand the submission and judgment processes in the first place.

Let me reiterate this as well: I am not a developer for the FFR website/game engines (though I may have an interest in this in the near future). I am someone who creates content for the game and I am a part of the process to determine what files go into the game, and what is required to be reworked on.

You're also talking down to a user who has been a part of the community for a long time, and while they might not have any content in the game at the moment, they have gone through the submission and judgment process. Opkiller is not, under any circumstance, oblivious to the process.

Finally: you need to stop trying to incite some sort of staff response to increase the release rate of files with your unfamiliarity of the process. Yes, the file release rate has temporarily slowed down. There are reasons for it, and the rate will increase and resume soon.

[potasium56]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

You're making assumptions about the flow of content, the availability of said content, and additionally making implications about there being large reserves of files where content can be released at a much higher rate. All of that is incorrect.

You continue to refer to the content creators of the game as "developers", when the developers of the game and the site themselves have nothing to do with neither the process of content creation nor the judgment process.

You keep mentioning that we receive more than two song submissions every two weeks. The submission process is something that occurs in two-month cycles, where after every two months, files are judged accordingly. At that point, files are quality checked to determine whether or not they are good enough to be placed into a queue for release. There is no "cron job" auto-release of two songs every two weeks. Acting like you have some sort of developmental insight on some automated system is not going to help any sort of argument that you have when you're struggling to understand the submission and judgment processes in the first place.

Let me reiterate this as well: I am not a developer for the FFR website/game engines (though I may have an interest in this in the near future). I am someone who creates content for the game and I am a part of the process to determine what files go into the game, and what is required to be reworked on.

You're also talking down to a user who has been a part of the community for a long time, and while they might not have any content in the game at the moment, they have gone through the submission and judgment process. Opkiller is not, under any circumstance, oblivious to the process.

Finally: you need to stop trying to incite some sort of staff response to increase the release rate of files with your unfamiliarity of the process. Yes, the file release rate has temporarily slowed down. There are reasons for it, and the rate will increase and resume soon.

All i was stating is that, im sure ffr receives more then 2 songs good enough to be released ever 2 weeks. I'm sure they have a storage of songs ready to be released? am i wrong? i also wasn't talking down to a user, was trying to explain my point. Not, my fault he doesn't understand

I also, im an experienced webmaster myself . I have 4 websites....so you assuming i have no experience is offensive and your talking down to me a long time member of the ffr community too.

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by potasium56

so you assuming i have no experience is offensive and your talking down to me a long time member of the ffr community too.

I would like to point out that this system currently in place has been in place for quite a while, with the process of file submitting and the judging and the current number of files in the queue and the holding of files for tournaments all being public knowledge. So being a long time member of the community, this should already be known information. And if not, you've got somebody knowledgeable in how the site is run politely telling you stuff that is already able to be seen by looking around, probably shouldn't be posting like a dick back to them.

[TC_Halogen]

The concept of "ready to be released" is not always consistent on FFR, that's why I will not say there is a "storage of songs" ready to be released. There are some files that have been accepted and queue'd up, but they might be tournament-worthy and still need to be checked by myself and psychoangel691 (the other tournament batch simfile judge). Files are postponed for release due to the Early Release Special Batch, which is in the judgment process.

Some of those files fall under the situation that I mentioned earlier: files that were accepted in a previous Official Tournament batch, meaning they were suitable for the Official Tournament but were not used due to song roster changes. Those songs are going to be held and considered for this iteration of the tournament.

There is a large assortment of files to be judged for the currently ongoing Official Tournament batch (15 out of 58 files have judgment notes publicly released) and it is somewhat often that users submit files high-quality files to these batch that are... not the most suitable for tournament play (or the desires of the management team for this iteration of the tournament). Those files usually end up released fairly close to the event.

This concept of "FFR receives more than x songs to be released every 2 weeks" as I've explained to you, does not make sense. You are once again ignoring the process of submission, open batches, and judgment. I can't break this point down any further than I already have. For all I know, in some crazy bizarro-world situation, every good content creator submits something that's terrible for a period and we get no accepted files. The point that is being made is that the number of files that are game-suitable is not a constant one, and it is dependent over a submission period that is longer and less periodic than the two weeks between song releases.

[potasium56]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

There are some files that have been accepted and queue'd up

Ugh, sounds exactly like what im saying. You have xx amount of song that have been process and checked and that are accepted to be released into the ffr game.

OpKiller state in eariler replay that " that ffr only released 2 songs ever 2 weeks"

I said this is ridiculous cause im sure they have a stored songs that are already accepted and approved to be in the game but are being held back untill further notice, but will be released in an upcoming song release right?

anyways, im done trying to explain a simple thing to everyone. I know what im talking about...and you have confirmed it in many replies saying

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Files are queued and stored for future usage.