Completely Revised Official Tier Point System - Page 33

**emulord** · 12-2-2011, 09:40 PM

lol, we already slightly reward antiskill with token AAAs being worth something small.
Idk I think FCing is a skill, and mashing is a part of FC skill.

Ninty64 · 12-2-2011, 09:44 PM

The new system looks amazing

**iironiic** · 12-2-2011, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

I know, but it rewards FCs with absolutely nothing. Can this be changed? It seems like it should be worth something, even if its not very much.

FCing songs is rewarded with the associated low ranks you get from playing a song since the game is combo-based. There is no further need to reward people with FC's***.

It's why I also discourage AAAs to be the max requirement, but I suppose some AAAs should be rewarded since AAAing some files is very difficult.

**i love you** · 12-2-2011, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

I know, but it rewards FCs with absolutely nothing. Can this be changed? It seems like it should be worth something, even if its not very much.

If the majority of the community does not want this to be changed into this revised TP system then we will never change it. Also, remember that when you Full Combo a file, you are guaranteed to get at least one or two tier points and sometimes even more points if your PA meets the higher requirements even without an FC.

Bonuses are designed for players who have done the extra work by unlocking tokens and by playing all of the FFR files that is not included in this TP system and AAAing those (including tokens). I think this system is pretty strong as it is and will only get stronger as we head towards the future. Also, mashing your way to an FC is not considered skill at all. We highly want to encourage players to not mash for a Full Combo! (:

**emulord** · 12-2-2011, 10:09 PM

Fine I guess it makes sense to keep the entire system PA-based and consistent

**remedy1502** · 12-2-2011, 11:02 PM

only emulord would encourage mashing

**hi19hi19** · 12-2-2011, 11:04 PM

No, I would too

But I see the advantages of focusing TP on purely PA so I won't bother arguing it.
We already have other ways of measuring combo-scoring, so it makes sense that this system is different.

**Zekramcross** · 12-6-2011, 10:39 AM

How is this coming along?

**sticklydude** · 12-10-2011, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Zekramcross

How is this coming along?

This.

hXcalltheway · 12-14-2011, 03:24 AM

Is this a case where no news is good news?

**i love you** · 12-14-2011, 08:28 AM

We are still working on it. We will let you guys know when it is finished. (:

Emithith · 12-14-2011, 08:31 AM

You only get like 20TPs from mashing anyway, and mashing does take... er.. some skill.

**devonin** · 12-14-2011, 08:54 AM

Better to say that it's -a- skill. Which is not the same as -being- skill.

**reuben_tate** · 12-17-2011, 02:03 AM

Quick question: It seems like our level ranks only contain the data for the best combo-based score we have. Is our data also being stored somewhere for all of our best raw-based scores? The reason I asked it because I'm worried that the tier point system is going to retrieve data from my level ranks page when it's initially released. The thing is, I SS and/or save replays of all my scores that have a better raw score than the raw scores on my best combo-based scores. So I wondering if there will be something similar in format to the unrecorded forms score to get the tier points I deserve for all my SS's that have good raw-score but bad combo-scores.

**qqwref** · 12-17-2011, 02:38 AM

Honestly, I'm not sure. I remember hearing that it would be okay to run the tier point system off raw score, so I assume it's at least possible. I also remember a levelstats_raw.php page that gave the list of the best recorded raw scores on each song, but I'm not sure if that was just checking the current scores or not. So I guess right now we just have to hope that a staff member who understands how FFR is set up internally will be able to help out with this.

If that doesn't work, we could always switch back to the combo-scoring ideas we had earlier (1pt = pass, 2pt = FC with bad PA, going up from there), but I'd rather not unless there's no choice.

**dragonmegaXX** · 12-17-2011, 01:47 PM

Just play the songs again.

**Xayphon** · 12-22-2011, 01:27 PM

*gets rid of dust*

**i love you** · 12-22-2011, 01:40 PM

I see no dust (:

PS: I know it is taking us a while to get this working but please bear with us a little longer.

**TheSaxRunner05** · 12-24-2011, 01:15 AM

Maybe it will be a 2012 New Years Day present! -Hype-

I can imagine though, setting up to record raw scoring for everyone on the site would take awhile

**BethanyBangs** · 12-24-2011, 01:21 AM

I got my first TP on M.A.M.A.
At least I can say I got one before the new system.
/o/

12-2-2011, 09:40 PM	#641
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System lol, we already slightly reward antiskill with token AAAs being worth something small. Idk I think FCing is a skill, and mashing is a part of FC skill.

12-2-2011, 09:44 PM	#642
Ninty64 FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 738	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System The new system looks amazing

12-2-2011, 10:09 PM	#645
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Fine I guess it makes sense to keep the entire system PA-based and consistent

12-2-2011, 11:02 PM	#646
remedy1502 remederpin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 31 Posts: 4,884	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System only emulord would encourage mashing

12-2-2011, 11:04 PM	#647
hi19hi19 lol happy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DESTINY Age: 33 Posts: 12,193	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System No, I would too But I see the advantages of focusing TP on purely PA so I won't bother arguing it. We already have other ways of measuring combo-scoring, so it makes sense that this system is different. __________________

12-6-2011, 10:39 AM	#648
Zekramcross The Break Ends Join Date: May 2011 Location: White Desert Age: 30 Posts: 1,786	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System How is this coming along? __________________

12-14-2011, 03:24 AM	#650
hXcalltheway Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lancaster, Pennsylvania Age: 35 Posts: 550	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Is this a case where no news is good news?

12-14-2011, 08:28 AM	#651
i love you Live a wonderful life~ Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,313	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System We are still working on it. We will let you guys know when it is finished. (: __________________ =============================== The idea that RDCP 3 may come out in the future is a fun thought to have~ ===============================

12-14-2011, 08:31 AM	#652
Emithith FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: London, Ontario, Maple Syrup Land Age: 28 Posts: 1,784	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System You only get like 20TPs from mashing anyway, and mashing does take... er.. some skill.

12-14-2011, 08:54 AM	#653
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Better to say that it's -a- skill. Which is not the same as -being- skill.

12-17-2011, 02:38 AM	#655
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Honestly, I'm not sure. I remember hearing that it would be okay to run the tier point system off raw score, so I assume it's at least possible. I also remember a levelstats_raw.php page that gave the list of the best recorded raw scores on each song, but I'm not sure if that was just checking the current scores or not. So I guess right now we just have to hope that a staff member who understands how FFR is set up internally will be able to help out with this. If that doesn't work, we could always switch back to the combo-scoring ideas we had earlier (1pt = pass, 2pt = FC with bad PA, going up from there), but I'd rather not unless there's no choice. __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

12-17-2011, 01:47 PM	#656
dragonmegaXX ITG playing fur Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,660	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Just play the songs again. __________________

12-22-2011, 01:27 PM	#657
Xayphon sausage Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,630	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System gets rid of dust

12-22-2011, 01:40 PM	#658
i love you Live a wonderful life~ Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,313	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System I see no dust (: PS: I know it is taking us a while to get this working but please bear with us a little longer. __________________ =============================== The idea that RDCP 3 may come out in the future is a fun thought to have~ ===============================

12-24-2011, 01:15 AM	#659
TheSaxRunner05 The Doctor Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 6,145	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Maybe it will be a 2012 New Years Day present! -Hype- I can imagine though, setting up to record raw scoring for everyone on the site would take awhile __________________

12-24-2011, 01:21 AM	#660
BethanyBangs ~ Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Sacramento Age: 29 Posts: 730	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System I got my first TP on M.A.M.A. At least I can say I got one before the new system. /o/ __________________ ~

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