Let the shutdown begin

[igotrhythm]

obama pushes government funded healthcare through congress and doesn't afraid of anything

[DarknessXoXLight]

[Dynam0]

queen elizabeth II confirmed leader of anonymous

[Reincarnate]

predictions on when shutdown will end go

[awein999]

I can't stand threads that have personal attacks in them when it's about a serious topic like this. No matter how right you think you are and how much "history" you have with a person here, at least have the common decency to be respectful. If you don't then you truly give up actually trying to convince your opponent and then you discourage the majority of people from participating.

I'm only referring to a select few. Take your ego inflation to a less serious discussion.

[adlp]

oh i said it 3 years earlier i was wrong, 07 there instead of 04. oh right around the time the economy tanked...

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by adlp

oh i said it 3 years earlier i was wrong, 07 there instead of 04. oh right around the time the economy tanked...

the economy didn't magically tank because the house/senate went dem in 07. there were many more variables/legislative pressures/economic movements/incentive issues involved, and in that scenario the blame is all over the place. no one party is to blame for the crisis (although some are more responsible than others)

If it helps any: We knew the crisis was coming way back in the early 2000's -- we just didn't know exactly when the music would stop (some did and profited hugely from it, but I digress)

anyhow this isn't relevant to the topic at hand (the shutdown)

[DossarLX ODI]

Could someone give me the big pictures as to what the hell the blaming would even help with?

It's just an endless pointing of fingers with no actual solutions given from what I've been seeing. What's considered to have been preventable still happens, then more blame gets tossed around.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

Could someone give me the big pictures as to what the hell the blaming would even help with?

It's just an endless pointing of fingers with no actual solutions given from what I've been seeing. What's considered to have been preventable still happens, then more blame gets tossed around.

Because no one has a solution that is or would ever be chosen, it's easier to blame the reason for their solution not being chosen on someone else.

Everyone seems... stubborn.

[FFR4EVA_00]

the blame game is fundamental human behavior
absolutely everyone is in it for themselves, and playing the blame game helps their self-image as the good guy

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

Could someone give me the big pictures as to what the hell the blaming would even help with?

It's just an endless pointing of fingers with no actual solutions given from what I've been seeing. What's considered to have been preventable still happens, then more blame gets tossed around.

ideally it helps make people more aware of things so they are better informed when they vote. a lot of people vote against their own interests without even realizing it.

in reality, it's mostly a lot of wasted air. this thread is an exercise in boredom

there ARE plenty of solutions to our problems, but our system is broken in many ways and so it can be hard to arrive at something that is sensible. IMO nothing will improve until we get big money out of politics. in the end it's not so much dems vs. reps but greedy sociopaths with shitloads of money vs. everyone else.

[DefTeaMachine]

Originally Posted by FFR4EVA_00

anyone who blames anyone else for anything is directly at fault
they just wanna feel less bad about it

this chick at my school said its all because we let a [racist derogatory term] into office.

now i get to tell her that its her fault the government died

which would mean its my fault





well shit, sorry guys i killed america

[I like it]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

IMO nothing will improve until we get big money out of politics.

i dont usually post in serious threads like this but this is the truth

[mi40]

a dilemma indeed sir tea

[top]

let's just copy australia!!!

[DefTeaMachine]

Originally Posted by top

let's just copy australia!!!

no thanks, florida has enough spiders as it is

[Reincarnate]

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by DefTeaMachine

this chick at my school said its all because we let a [racist derogatory term] into office.

sounds like a support for my argument, eh rubix ;D ;D

but honestly that was a massive wreckage of a post and please someone give me the correlation graph between sub-prime mortgage loans/deregulated banks and the democratic house/senate

pleasee

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Litodude

but honestly that was a massive wreckage of a post and please someone give me the correlation graph between sub-prime mortgage loans/deregulated banks and the democratic house/senate

not sure how such a graph would be useful (and I don't even know how you'd make such a thing off the top of my head), since there are so many moving parts involved and they all have different timespans / implications. do you blame the people who suggested reasoned conclusions to certain problems, the people who created various tools irresponsibly, the people who abused those tools, or the guys who tried to clean up the resulting mess and made mistakes along the way?

the financial crisis is more of a systemic problem that doesn't translate well to looking at who controlled congress at a given point in time. It was caused by a mass combination of different pieces of legislation, home buyers, real estate agents / mortgage brokers, Wall Street, regulatory practices, sub-prime dealings, securitization, derivatives, market sentiment, the Federal Reserve, congress, interest rate pressures, etc. lots of blame to go around, and in this case it's not a false equivalence to say that both sides are at fault. everyone's at fault for the crisis in various ways.

the blame game is not particularly useful unless it's a clear-cut case of someone causing directly-attributable damage that people should be aware of so that they can work to vote such individuals out of office.

[Snowcrafta]

The GOP, on the dawn of October 1st, immediately retreat into their ostentatious spaceships and plot a course to Reptilius 7, their homeworld. Having secured all the resources on Earth and converted the military into a lizard army, they have greenlit the colonization efforts for the hive fleet. As the earth monkeys fight for food and shelter, the glorious lizard men shall descend from the heavens and claim another world as their own. Hail R'agluash.