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[Ihatetoruinyourfunbutihav]

Originally Posted by scottish

Runny Morning is perfect as is. The problem with instituting a combo based point system is the amount of
A) Mashing someone to do to reach it
B) The amount of goods
If we said,
(4) For reaching a 600 combo...
Then people could end up with scores that have over 150+ goods and 60+ boos, which really doesnt require much skill to do. If we were to say:
(4) For reaching a 600 combo or more, with less than 80 goods and 30 boos
That would be kind of specific. Someone who got a 550 combo with 22 goods and 2 boos could end up with a better score, and more impresive.
Combo scoring is just too up in the air, we would rather have a set amount of goods and such.

I am looking through the point list now. The problem with changing a few of those "seperated points" is that Shash and I went through each set of points (1's, 2's etc..) and they pretty much matched up. Changing some of them would require me to change them all. I'll see what I can do.

Mashing shouldn't be a problem with the less than 20 boos rule. Therefore why not use the combo system on some of the harder songs?

[Shashakiro]

Big problem is that it's really hard to tell if someone got a certain combo just by looking at their levelrank.php score...and impossible to tell if they mashed.

Which reminds me...I'd say put a requirement for FC's that they have 4:1 PA or better. Insanely easy for pretty much anyone to do unless they mash.

[Tayfun]

You know how we can see mulitplayer scores, why can't they do the same for single player scores?

[Ihatetoruinyourfunbutihav]

Well for harder songs maybe they could send in a screenshot showing that they played the song with only a few misses or whatever without mashing and get their points. Example: A miss or two on Runny Morning could be 5 points, or a single digit miss on Pants could be 5 points. The only people effected by this change would probably be Tier 2 or Tier 3, and since people at that level probably care they would probably be willing to send a screenshot, so this might could be a possibility.

[scottish]

Look how complicated that would make things. I don't like combo scoring.
Three things that I haven't said before:
1. After Jimerax and I rank everyone, it is upon YOUR responsibility to send SS's if you improve something. This is the only thing you guys have to do, well, besides getting scores of course
2. There are going to be required songs that you guys must provide a Screen shot for; some songs are too difficult to tell if they were FC'd with the score or may have missed one at the very ending with a low amount of goods/avg's etc.
We haven't come up with a list of them yet, we are still deciding.
Some songs are going to be hard to decide. OF COURSE that this list isn't going to be dead accurate, there are going to be things that we may mess up on, simply because like Shash said, there are songs that we may not be able to determine the actual score from levelrank.php.
Oh one more thing, updated alot of the points. I think it looks pretty good, and weighs out well. Tell me if you see something wrong.

[zeplinfan911]

hehe yayay based on new system ill be back up on that list again =D

[Doug31]

Then why is this whole thing based on combo? If you are short by even 1 combo, you get no points. In other words, 99999999999999999999 perfects, 1 miss would result in less points than 1 perfect, 99999999999999999999 averages, no misses, and 19 boos, which doesn't seem like how it should be to me.

Okay, how about a more realistic example. Someone could complete Caprice with 10 goods, 1 average, 1 miss, and 1 boo, and get no points based on that scoring system, but someone with 29 goods, 11 averages, no misses, and 1 boo would get a lot of points.

Edit: it should be something like: perfect=2, good=1, average=0, miss=-10, 20 boos=disqualified, or something like this, and a certain number of these points on each of those songs could be worth some number of points in scottish's system.

[Shashakiro]

Doug: The point system is based off your BEST scores. If you can get 10-1-1-1 on Caprice, for example, chances are you can FC with at least under 15 no problem. I really don't think it's an issue...we're not inventing a scoring system here, we're inventing a ranking system based on your BEST scores on the various songs. If your BEST score isn't even an FC, then it's not counted.

[jimerax]

Originally Posted by Doug31

In other words, 99999999999999999999 perfects, 1 miss would result in less points than 1 perfect, 99999999999999999999 averages, no misses, and 19 boos, which doesn't seem like how it should be to me.

The latter is 99999999999999999999 times harder to get IMO.

As for the point, here's indication.
4 points or over - Tier 1 req
3 points - Tier 2 req
2 points - Tier 3 req
1 points - basic point for FC

I'll post TOP 10 here soon.

[scottish]

Jim, make sure you take into account I just moved things around. Oh and this list is now SEMI PERMANENT, meaning that nothing will be changed unless it's ridiculously off and you have a good counterargument. Hehe.

[jimerax]

Yea it won't be changed until when 10+ expert songs are added after KYA.

ok I have to recalculate them.

[Tasselfoot]

my updated list...

1 - 3
2 - 2
3 - 0
4 - 2
5 - 0
6 - 0
7 - 3
8 - 2
9 - 2
10 - 2
11 - 3
12 - 1
13 - 1
14 - 2 (1 away)
15 - 3 (1 away)
16 - 0
17 - 3
18 - 3
19 - 0
20 - 2
21 - 2 (1 away)
22 - 1
23 - 0
24 - 0
25 - 3
26 - 3
27 - 4
28 - 2
29 - 2
30 - 0
31 - 2
32 - 1
33 - 2
34 - 0
35 - 0
36 - 2
37 - 2 (1 away)
38 - 1
39 - 2
40 - 0
41 - 2
42 - 2
43 - 0
44 - 4
45 - 2
46 - 3
47 - 1
48 - 1
Total = 78

[stlunatic0124]

1 - 3
2 - 4
3 - 0
4 - 1
5 - 4
6 - 0
7 - 3
8 - 2
9 - 3
10 - 2
11 - 2
12 - 2
13 - 3
14 - 3
15 - 3
16 - 0
17 - 3
18 - 2
19 - 0
20 - 2
21 - 3
22 - 2
23 - 2
24 - 0
25 - 3
26 - 2
27 - 0
28 - 2
29 - 3
30 - 3
31 - 2
32 - 3
33 - 2
34 - 6
35 - 0
36 - 0
37 - 1
38 - 4
39 - 3
40 - 0
41 - 0
42 - 2
43 - 0
44 - 3
45 - 3
46 - 2
47 - 2
48 - 3

Total = 98 LOL damnit close.. nova helped A LOT.

that may be off by just 1 or 2 points in either direction, i'm going off the scores i remember.

i deleted the majority of my screenshots, if you don't trust me and really want screenshots i could probably sit there for a day and just get all the scores again, but that would be a huge pain in the ass to PR everything again.

thank you for closing the gap on most of those songs scott and jim

[Shashakiro]

Suggesting raise of T2 req points now that it's easier to get points.

[stlunatic0124]

yeah i went from 88 to 98 with a snap of scott's fingers lol

[scottish]

OK Tier requirements are being changed in a moment. Im going throught people's levelranks really fast just to get a glimpse of where people will be. Expect about a 15 point change.
Edit: Ok changes are made. Figuring that there is a numerous amount of songs that are now slightly more easier to get a higher amount of points on, bumping the Tier Requirements up a little wasn't too drastic.
The bumps were no more than 15, which seemed reasonable to leave Tier 1 alone because no changes were made to the point system that are designed for them.

[jimerax]

Yea, it gets a lot lenient after adjustment.

[Tasselfoot]

put tier 3 at 70, not 75... i shouldn't be THAT close to the bottom of tier 3, unless you're making it harder to get into 3.

although i did just raise my rank a wee bit with some scores i just got. will update in a sec.




EDIT:
22 - 1 ----> 2
48 - 1 ----> 2

Total: 80.

[jimerax]

We'll set Tier points again after calculating everyone's point.

Reqs for songs won't be changed anymore.

[Doug31]

Oh, so any and all new songs that come out completely don't count. This will get old.