Queue/Batch Discussion Thread - Page 819

**bmah** · 11-22-2010, 10:57 PM

Great, now waiting for the actual list of accepted stuff.

**jimerax** · 11-22-2010, 11:18 PM

It's up on the first post now.

**woker-X** · 11-22-2010, 11:25 PM

jx... where do I send the minor fixes for queue'd files???

do I send just the sm/dwi???

**jimerax** · 11-22-2010, 11:33 PM

send the whole zip/rar file to ffrsubmissions@gmail.com, with [Resubmission] in the file name.

read the first post too.

**woker-X** · 11-22-2010, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

Resubmission

If you submitted files and they got rejected, you can resubmit them with some fixes to the next batch.
Resubmissions aren't counted on your submission cap.
Just put [Resubmission] at the top of the name of zip/rar file and submit.
i.e. [Resubmission] Magical 8bit Tour (jimerax).zip.
If resubmissions are rejected again, re-resubmissions will be treated as regular submissions.

I did read it.. and this is why I asked...

There's nothing there about fixes for queued files so...

**bmah** · 11-22-2010, 11:39 PM

Fixes for queued files can be sent without rejudging - unless you're changing the file significantly. If so, please let us know in your email.

**jimerax** · 11-22-2010, 11:42 PM

Oh I misread

As for queue'd files, you can just send the .dwi. will write about it.

**dore** · 11-23-2010, 04:53 PM

so why is a +. +. +. rejected outright? I don't understand the premise here (and yes I'm asking because it affects me, but only because that's how I noticed that particular example and I disagree with rejecting a +. +. +. without any discussion, further judging, etc.)

**TC_Halogen** · 11-23-2010, 04:54 PM

+. 3x isn't a reject to my knowledge. +. +. +? is borderline though.

EDIT: oh, I see what you're saying. I guess JX and bmah went over and made sure the acceptances were justified, because it seems like we lost 8 accepted files.

**dore** · 11-23-2010, 04:58 PM

yeah they upped the points requirements for a couple of the groups

**jimerax** · 11-23-2010, 05:03 PM

you mean 12/15 files in G1 and G4? It was accept on my 2nd criteria idea but

1. acceptance rate adjustment among groups (it's needed this time).
2. 41 files are way too many for accepted files.
3. just resubmit with improvement if files are rejected.

**bmah** · 11-23-2010, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

I guess JX and bmah went over and made sure the acceptances were justified, because it seems like we lost 8 accepted files.

I made a staff progress report earlier, but I did not specifically go over simfiles again. You'll have to ask jx about that. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the imbalance of accepted files amongst various judges. Think of it like a grading curve.

*ninja'd*

**Khenra** · 11-23-2010, 05:12 PM

How long does it approximately take for a submission to be graded? I've submitted a file a few days ago and haven't heard anything from it since.

I don't know where to look for feedback either.. the OP of this thread?

**dore** · 11-23-2010, 05:14 PM

I understand that but I think my disagreement stems from the fact that you're comparing different judges on different files with different levels of experience, so it's hard (especially with some people having only ever judged ~25 files for FFR ever) to get a decent determination of what is judging bias and what is actual discrepancy in quality from one group to another. I just think that unless (a) all of the judges judge every file and you can compare directly, (b) a few people play every file in order to subjectively judge the trends, or (c) all of the judges are in direct communication with each other during the judging process (which should happen anyway, because it's much easier to reduce discrepancies based on what mood you're in that particular day or even the order of the files, which can impact the final judgment), it's hard to compare.

I really don't mind making the changes and redoing it, I just question the premise of the decision. (And in my case, I feel like I could've gotten that extra point from one of the judges by changing 10 notes, and I don't think that should be the boundary from absolute acceptance to absolute rejection)

**bmah** · 11-23-2010, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khenra

How long does it approximately take for a submission to be graded? I've submitted a file a few days ago and haven't heard anything from it since.

I don't know where to look for feedback either.. the OP of this thread?

It varies, but it can take anywhere from 2 weeks to a month+ for submissions to be graded. We're hoping that reviews in future batches will be done at a reasonable pace.

For feedback of the files you've submitted, please refer to the batch review thread.

@dore: the inconsistency due to the level of judging experience (or lack of) is something I'm trying to tackle...it's one reason why I made a progress report, as well as providing resubmitted files an extra sort of distinction amongst the others. I have a number of files that weren't accepted that I suspect was due to this issue. If I actually can't find anything to fix, I'm going to send them completely unchanged, because it's not an issue on my end if it's due to judging incompetency. You can't completely eliminate the problem with this many judges, but I'm trying to reduce it.

0 · 11-23-2010, 05:25 PM

11eleven was judged [+] [+.] [+.] (13 points) why was it rejected

**bmah** · 11-23-2010, 05:32 PM

The only reason I can think of is that perhaps decisions may have been finalized based off of Halogen's earlier post, which in this case I do notice a discrepency (noted as +.,+.,+. = 12pts). I'd like to have jx confirm this.

Human error sucks, I know.

**jimerax** · 11-23-2010, 05:41 PM

oh +, +., +., is accept, will check and change it.

If there're miscounts tell me about them.

Izzy · 11-23-2010, 05:44 PM

I bet the judges hate my file because of all the jumpstream. It isn't to much different then the jumpstream in exciting hyperhighspeed star though.

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 11-23-2010, 05:48 PM

FFR needs more jumpstream and chill out on the bursty dnb songs for a bit. lol.

11-22-2010, 10:57 PM	#16361
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 36 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Great, now waiting for the actual list of accepted stuff.

11-22-2010, 11:18 PM	#16362
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread It's up on the first post now.

11-22-2010, 11:25 PM	#16363
woker-X .... :.. .:. :: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,031	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread jx... where do I send the minor fixes for queue'd files??? do I send just the sm/dwi???

11-22-2010, 11:33 PM	#16364
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread send the whole zip/rar file to ffrsubmissions@gmail.com, with [Resubmission] in the file name. read the first post too.

11-22-2010, 11:39 PM	#16366
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 36 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Fixes for queued files can be sent without rejudging - unless you're changing the file significantly. If so, please let us know in your email. Last edited by bmah; 11-22-2010 at 11:47 PM..

11-22-2010, 11:42 PM	#16367
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread Oh I misread As for queue'd files, you can just send the .dwi. will write about it.

11-23-2010, 04:53 PM	#16368
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread so why is a +. +. +. rejected outright? I don't understand the premise here (and yes I'm asking because it affects me, but only because that's how I noticed that particular example and I disagree with rejecting a +. +. +. without any discussion, further judging, etc.) __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

11-23-2010, 04:54 PM	#16369
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread +. 3x isn't a reject to my knowledge. +. +. +? is borderline though. EDIT: oh, I see what you're saying. I guess JX and bmah went over and made sure the acceptances were justified, because it seems like we lost 8 accepted files. Last edited by TC_Halogen; 11-23-2010 at 04:57 PM..

11-23-2010, 04:58 PM	#16370
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread yeah they upped the points requirements for a couple of the groups __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

11-23-2010, 05:03 PM	#16371
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread you mean 12/15 files in G1 and G4? It was accept on my 2nd criteria idea but 1. acceptance rate adjustment among groups (it's needed this time). 2. 41 files are way too many for accepted files. 3. just resubmit with improvement if files are rejected.

11-23-2010, 05:12 PM	#16373
Khenra print('hello FFR') Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Amsterdam Age: 34 Posts: 272	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread How long does it approximately take for a submission to be graded? I've submitted a file a few days ago and haven't heard anything from it since. I don't know where to look for feedback either.. the OP of this thread?

11-23-2010, 05:14 PM	#16374
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread I understand that but I think my disagreement stems from the fact that you're comparing different judges on different files with different levels of experience, so it's hard (especially with some people having only ever judged ~25 files for FFR ever) to get a decent determination of what is judging bias and what is actual discrepancy in quality from one group to another. I just think that unless (a) all of the judges judge every file and you can compare directly, (b) a few people play every file in order to subjectively judge the trends, or (c) all of the judges are in direct communication with each other during the judging process (which should happen anyway, because it's much easier to reduce discrepancies based on what mood you're in that particular day or even the order of the files, which can impact the final judgment), it's hard to compare. I really don't mind making the changes and redoing it, I just question the premise of the decision. (And in my case, I feel like I could've gotten that extra point from one of the judges by changing 10 notes, and I don't think that should be the boundary from absolute acceptance to absolute rejection) __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

11-23-2010, 05:25 PM	#16376
0 ( ﾟдﾟ)彡 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 654	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread 11eleven was judged [+] [+.] [+.] (13 points) why was it rejected __________________ Last edited by 0; 11-23-2010 at 05:37 PM..

11-23-2010, 05:32 PM	#16377
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 36 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread The only reason I can think of is that perhaps decisions may have been finalized based off of Halogen's earlier post, which in this case I do notice a discrepency (noted as +.,+.,+. = 12pts). I'd like to have jx confirm this. Human error sucks, I know.

11-23-2010, 05:41 PM	#16378
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread oh +, +., +., is accept, will check and change it. If there're miscounts tell me about them.

11-23-2010, 05:44 PM	#16379
Izzy Snek Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas Age: 34 Posts: 9,192	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread I bet the judges hate my file because of all the jumpstream. It isn't to much different then the jumpstream in exciting hyperhighspeed star though.

11-23-2010, 05:48 PM	#16380
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread FFR needs more jumpstream and chill out on the bursty dnb songs for a bit. lol.

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