The smexiness that is Blazblue - Page 5

**Xiaounlimited** · 08-10-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGiggles

It's pretty well balanced. Tager and Jin are the two standouts, one being the worst and the other arguably being the best (some argue v-13 and I could see that). Bang is on the lower end, but rather close to everyone else. The 8 other characters are all very close together compared to a lot of other fighters. At the casual level Tager and Bang are much much better (especially Tager), but so is Jin.

Besides, I bet they can patch it later. I heard rumors the first patch will contain an Arakune nerf which makes zero sense because v-13 and Jin need it much more. >.>

Jin does not need nerfing. I don't know what the hell is making you think Jin is remotely close to being NEAR the best. He's your generic all-round sortoflikeKybutnotreally character. If he were a simfile, the Groove Radar wouldn't tilt in any particular direction. He's not a bad character (his matchup tables seem relatively good) but I'd seriously smack you if you told me that in person.

Arakune's curse is ridiculous (20 free hits for 2k damage? Are you ****ing kidding me?), his aerial supremacy is hard to overcome for a lot of characters who don't have good AAs/DPs, he can **** bugs all over your ****ing screen, his dash is a WARP, etc. etc.. Tell me that doesn't need some reworking.

Rachel can zone people pretty well. Assuming you know how to work Silpheed, Lobellia (seeds), George (frog) and Impish (pumpkin) effectively, she has an EXTREMELY good pressure game for a character that's seemingly focused around zoning/trapping. I mean sure, she's very very bad with dealing with pressure but when you manage to break out it's not hard to turn around. Also, of the three zoning characters she's the only one with a superarmour move (2c) that's a free card out of a lot of situations. In fact, very few characters other than Tager have any sort of superarmour move. The only character that comes to mind is Bang. People say Rachel is hard to learn - she's not easy to pick up by any means (much harder to learn than Nu imho) but she's not overly complex. I like her particular playstyle and I personally say it's not hard to get used to. Mid-skill requirement for very high play returns might also need some tweaking.

Nu. I don't give a **** how many directions you need to tilt your input stick, if you can just smash D for easy 3k+ combos and punishes you really need to rethink that Nu is below Jin. I mean seriously, OOPS I WHIFFED OH I GOT TAGGED BY A SWORD OH NOW I'M AIR JUGGLED OH DISTORTION DRIVE YEAH HIT ME I LIKE IT. Oh yeah, Gravity Field. I don't need to say anything more.

Tager could use some serious buffing (maybe in return for say, some damage on his 720) as well as Hakumen, and the zoning chars could be debuffed a good bit. If that happened, balance wouldn't be so much of an issue.

If a patch doesn't come out though, I'm just hoping the next installment of Blazblue doesn't do the same thing. Also that Kokonoe is a playable char.

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LOL I've been out of the loop, apparently Taokaka has a combo which involves her taunt that hits for 7.6kish damage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMrqEzK23S0

Watch in the video, you'll see it when Ragna's health drops down to 1/5 from full

MrDespair · 08-10-2009, 03:15 PM

Yeah that's because blazblue scales down the damage in percentages. So first hit of combo is 100% of attacks damage then next hit is 90% etc etc but Tao's taunt attack resets it to something like 120% again.

MrGiggles · 08-10-2009, 04:01 PM

Jin is one of the better characters in EVERYTHING and has no real weaknesses. I mean, come on, that's just silly. He has everything you could ever want in a character and then some.

At least Arakune has a glass jaw that keeps his bull**** in check. The d bug never hits 20 times. I mean, unless there's a combo involved I don't know about, I don't know most of his combos. Besides, nobody plays as him, they're all too busy maining Jin.

I won't even argue V-13 since you're probably right about that ****er damn she's gay

**Xiaounlimited** · 08-10-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGiggles

Jin is one of the better characters in EVERYTHING and has no real weaknesses. I mean, come on, that's just silly. He has everything you could ever want in a character and then some.

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Besides, nobody plays as [Arakune], they're all too busy maining Jin.

Jin has something like a +4.5 matchup rating (I don't know if the matchup ratios per character are consistent or arbitrary but let's just assume this for now), which places him above most of the cast. If I gave you the tier list and you saw that OH WOW JIN IS #4?! A-TIER!!!!; no. It just means he has a favourable matchup against most characters (being around 5.5:4.5 consistently give or take a few) which in turn means he doesn't dominate as hard as you'd like to think he would. He doesn't lose matchups as hard as Tager vs. Nu to give you an extreme example but he's not winning matchups to any extreme either. Learn to deal with him and you'll see he's a good char, but nothing overexcessive.

Arguing that Jin is broken is like saying Chain Revolver spam is broken too, because it's not (you can't smash on D and possibly expect to win as Noel).

As for Arakune, start playing people level 40+. Level doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be any good (I've faced 100% win ratio lv 40+ Jins who just ice car'd and quit out when I was about to win), but it does help weed out a lot of bad players. If you say "they're all maining Jin" I can assume quite safely that you're only facing scrubs and with your inherent bias against Jin I wouldn't be surprised if he was one of your worse matchups.

It also might just be you. A lot of Jin's moves like 6c and 5c(cc...) have HUGE amounts of recovery frames. If you can't capitalize on that and also do things like instant block projectiles/icecar hits then that's your fault entirely. Also, if you find yourself getting frozen every other second you're doing it wrong

Now, I'm not the greatest, but I've played my fair share of Jins both good and scrubby and I will tell you he is not a broken character. Well rounded, but not broken.

MrGiggles · 08-10-2009, 08:22 PM

I'm not convinced. He has health, libra, heat, all his gauges fill up fast or go down slowly. His moveset might be a bit average, but his stats most certainly are not. He's not broken, no, broken implies you can't win, but I think his advantages are excessive.

I hit 40 today, I've started playing some tougher dudes. Unfortunately I'm relegated to using a plasma TV with like HALF A SECOND of freaking input lag for a while. I still win about 50% even so. :O

Jin is not my worst matchup, but he's pretty far down there. Tager actually rapes me silly because... I don't know, I just suck against Tager, he throws me and then throws me forever and oh god my health is gone stop please no more throwing and then he does that super high death jump knee to the back and i'm like

because Arakune doesn't have a spine but then he dies anyway D:

**Xiaounlimited** · 08-10-2009, 08:51 PM

Protip against Tager: don't airtech.

Impulso · 08-10-2009, 10:29 PM

Hey you guys,

You know there's a tournament for Blazblue on: www.2solid.com

Although the first tournament is done, they're planning another one ASAP (cause it was pretty popular)

If you guys want to show off your skills, then enter the tournament.

Also, they have tournaments for other games, check it out!

MrGiggles · 08-23-2009, 05:00 PM

Bump because this game rocks and because I just won like 20 matches in a row, including two against a lvl 51 Jin with an 84% win ratio.

I need to play anyone else who got this game since I haven't seen Xiao on in forever. Once again, my gamertag is mrgiggles972.

korny · 08-23-2009, 11:35 PM

My competitive gaming sources told me this game is really easy to get good at it.

**Xiaounlimited** · 08-23-2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGiggles

Bump because this game rocks and because I just won like 20 matches in a row, including two against a lvl 51 Jin with an 84% win ratio.

I need to play anyone else who got this game since I haven't seen Xiao on in forever. Once again, my gamertag is mrgiggles972.

...I was on this morning. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by korny

My competitive gaming sources told me this game is really easy to get good at it.

Easier than KoF/SF/Tekken/etc yes

**One Winged Angel** · 08-24-2009, 01:09 AM

bought this **** today, dicked around with rachel and noel for a bit...combo'ing into baden baden fagly is kinda tricky but i'm getting the hang of it...watched a couple noel combo vids but can't pull off any of that shyt yet :sad faic:

I'd like to main the sailor mars chick with the nice rack because that stick dealy makes her look quite complex to master...and other reasons obviously

**Xiaounlimited** · 08-24-2009, 01:29 AM

5b 6b 5cdc 236a/b (depending on char) 632146c

basic midscreen all char bnb into Baden-Baden Lily, you'll see scrubs using it online all the time

There are obviously more complex ways to chain into it but that's a decent start

MrGiggles · 08-24-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by korny

My competitive gaming sources told me this game is really easy to get good at it.

Maybe, but it's still really really fun. I haven't been so entranced by a game for so long since melee was released. I'm usually not even a fan of fighting games.

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...I was on this morning. lol

I must keep missing you.

kommisar[os] · 10-24-2009, 04:58 PM

bump cuz i'm late as hell and couldn't buy this when i was on an island.

game owns. i main as noel but that probably means i suck

sjoecool1991 · 10-24-2009, 05:10 PM

I must be the only person on FFR that mains as Hakumen.
Oh well, haven't played in a few weeks anyway.

08-10-2009, 03:15 PM	#82
MrDespair FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 37	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue Yeah that's because blazblue scales down the damage in percentages. So first hit of combo is 100% of attacks damage then next hit is 90% etc etc but Tao's taunt attack resets it to something like 120% again. __________________ I'm in despair! This forum has left me in despair! OH YEAH!

08-10-2009, 04:01 PM	#83
MrGiggles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skaia Age: 21 Posts: 2,846	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue Jin is one of the better characters in EVERYTHING and has no real weaknesses. I mean, come on, that's just silly. He has everything you could ever want in a character and then some. At least Arakune has a glass jaw that keeps his bull** in check. The d bug never hits 20 times. I mean, unless there's a combo involved I don't know about, I don't know most of his combos. Besides, nobody plays as him, they're all too busy maining Jin. I won't even argue V-13 since you're probably right about that *er damn she's gay Last edited by MrGiggles; 08-10-2009 at 04:05 PM..*

08-10-2009, 08:22 PM	#85
MrGiggles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skaia Age: 21 Posts: 2,846	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue I'm not convinced. He has health, libra, heat, all his gauges fill up fast or go down slowly. His moveset might be a bit average, but his stats most certainly are not. He's not broken, no, broken implies you can't win, but I think his advantages are excessive. I hit 40 today, I've started playing some tougher dudes. Unfortunately I'm relegated to using a plasma TV with like HALF A SECOND of freaking input lag for a while. I still win about 50% even so. :O Jin is not my worst matchup, but he's pretty far down there. Tager actually rapes me silly because... I don't know, I just suck against Tager, he throws me and then throws me forever and oh god my health is gone stop please no more throwing and then he does that super high death jump knee to the back and i'm like because Arakune doesn't have a spine but then he dies anyway D: Last edited by MrGiggles; 08-10-2009 at 08:24 PM..

08-10-2009, 08:51 PM	#86
Xiaounlimited Eaguru Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brampton, ON, Canada Age: 32 Posts: 2,832	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue Protip against Tager: don't airtech. __________________ Why would you put that in your signature? You've lost your signature rights for a month. (You'll get them back on March 10th, 2012.)

08-10-2009, 10:29 PM	#87
Impulso FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 20	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue Hey you guys, You know there's a tournament for Blazblue on: www.2solid.com Although the first tournament is done, they're planning another one ASAP (cause it was pretty popular) If you guys want to show off your skills, then enter the tournament. Also, they have tournaments for other games, check it out!

08-23-2009, 05:00 PM	#88
MrGiggles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Skaia Age: 21 Posts: 2,846	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue Bump because this game rocks and because I just won like 20 matches in a row, including two against a lvl 51 Jin with an 84% win ratio. I need to play anyone else who got this game since I haven't seen Xiao on in forever. Once again, my gamertag is mrgiggles972. Last edited by MrGiggles; 08-23-2009 at 05:04 PM..

08-23-2009, 11:35 PM	#89
korny It's Saint Pepsi bitch Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, tx Age: 34 Posts: 4,385	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue My competitive gaming sources told me this game is really easy to get good at it.

08-24-2009, 01:29 AM	#92
Xiaounlimited Eaguru Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Brampton, ON, Canada Age: 32 Posts: 2,832	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue 5b 6b 5cdc 236a/b (depending on char) 632146c basic midscreen all char bnb into Baden-Baden Lily, you'll see scrubs using it online all the time There are obviously more complex ways to chain into it but that's a decent start __________________ Why would you put that in your signature? You've lost your signature rights for a month. (You'll get them back on March 10th, 2012.)

10-24-2009, 04:58 PM	#94
kommisar[os] Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Moncton, NB, Canada Age: 33 Posts: 4,097	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue bump cuz i'm late as hell and couldn't buy this when i was on an island. game owns. i main as noel but that probably means i suck

10-24-2009, 05:10 PM	#95
sjoecool1991 FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 33 Posts: 2,302	Re: The smexiness that is Blazblue I must be the only person on FFR that mains as Hakumen. Oh well, haven't played in a few weeks anyway.

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