FFR poker league -dead-

[ddrmaniacaaa]

*** SHOW DOWN ***
nelld24: shows [7s 8c] (high card Ace)
ddrmaniacaaa: shows [Jd 3c] (high card Ace - King+Queen+Jack kicker)
deltafarce34: mucks hand
lenski68: mucks hand
ddrmaniacaaa collected 200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 200 | Rake 0
Board [6s Qs 2d Kd Ah]
Seat 1: ddrmaniacaaa (big blind) showed [Jd 3c] and won (200) with high card Ace
Seat 2: deltafarce34 mucked [9h Td]
Seat 3: lenski68 (button) mucked [5c 4c]
Seat 5: nelld24 (small blind) showed [7s 8c] and lost with high card Ace

Pretty sick hand. With 4 players left in a tourney we all decided to limp in. When 4 players are playing a hand the worst hand that can win is Ace high. This is probably the only time i have seen every card represented in the deck and still have ace high win.

[ddrmaniacaaa]

Originally Posted by awein999

I like the thought of starting from freerolls and then making a lot of money without putting a penny in. I started this online a couple weeks ago (I've played a bunch live however) and I'm excited to see how much I make. It teaches bankroll management quite well. And it's extremely fun because it's like a challenge and you earn every penny you have.

What I've done was I got a ticket from a freeroll then cashed in round 2 and then I focused on the 25 cent 90 person tourneys and owned. And I moved up to 1.40 90 person knockouts and got bb'd hard in a handful of tourneys in a row so I had to drop down to 25 cents again. I've gone through huge bad chance sprees in live play in the past and every time I got emotional and furious and I thought it wasn't fair. This time though I simply moved on to the next tournament not even slightly bothered because I know in my heart I've played the way I wanted to and I had the advantage. my play wasn't effected at all by it, it was an amazing feeling. I've been doing 2 or 3 at once and I'm back up to the 1.40 and 2.20 90 person sit n go range.

I'm excited to partake in the 11 dollar deep stack in 9 days next Saturday. (I'm guessing I'll have 50+ dollars in my bankroll by then)

I feel that through this process I build the strongest possible base and understanding of poker going through all the levels in a meticulous manner. I will start playing cash game once my bankroll exceeds 100 dollars.

This is my idea of fun.

This makes me sad. Ive have been employing this strategy since i joined stars and havent made it to round 2 yet. I usually have to sit out the first 2 or 3 rounds because someone goes all in every hand. Then i have to struggle to survive the rest of the way as a short stack. Got any tips?

[Without A Contraceptive]

went from broke to having a roll again in 3 sessions...

up ~$500 this week. poker is fun 8) brutal night in the box last night, full handed for 10 hours. the action was killer, tons of $3/400 pots. top set vs flush draw, top pair vs oesd etc. shit was wild

[Reach]

Originally Posted by awein999

Playing these micro stakes has taught me that I don't need to try to outplay people if they suck already.

I love the challenge of playing a good player more than simple winning poker against someone who sucks. It's better poker, I might actually learn something, and I love the game. If I run into someone who actually has half a sense and half a brain then it's a little more interesting because I actually have to think a little bit about how I want to be perceived, how I can achieve that, how I can trick and manipulate, and most importantly broaden my hand range so it's harder for my opponent to know what I have. My goal is to make myself seem like I could be bluffing or floating at any time I'm putting chips in because then my opponent just doesn't know what I'm doing.
Again this is when I'm playing someone who doesn't suck.

Edit: this is all directed to texas hold'em no limit strategy.

Well yeah, if you're still in the micros, you'll actually end up much more profitable if you only play ABC poker, never flat out bluff, and never make any advanced plays. I've ran a pretty large sum of hands in the micros and it's sadly very, very true.

That's because most micro players only think on a basic level about what they have. When they bluff it's usually something they decided to do before the flop; they're not trying to represent hands. Therefore, none of the advanced tactics work on them because they don't even understand what you're doing.

Once you move up to low limit play, there are a lot more players that are thinking about what kind of hands you have. At 0.1/0.25 and higher you'll pretty frequently run into people that are thinking about what you think they have, especially in the heads up games at those stakes, so they can be pretty tough to play against, especially when they aren't afraid to float you and jam it on the river repping big hands with only air.

That's when poker starts to get really interesting.

[awein999]

Originally Posted by ddrmaniacaaa

This makes me sad. Ive have been employing this strategy since i joined stars and havent made it to round 2 yet. I usually have to sit out the first 2 or 3 rounds because someone goes all in every hand. Then i have to struggle to survive the rest of the way as a short stack. Got any tips?

badugi, NL Omaha, NL hold'em.

Three easiest freerolls to get a ticket from. Just play simple winning poker and collect chips from sitters. And don't be afraid to go all in if you think you have the best of it.

Also you can play the daily 90k satellite. But you need to get really lucky.

Edit: and the round 2 freeroll at 10 in the morning on Saturday is always NL hold'em. I suggest that one when you get a ticket.


Edit 2:When I was running terribly and on the wrong side of every cooler. This is about half of them in two days of playing. After all this terrible fortune I ended up with a small profit when things went relatively ok in a couple tourneys after this lmao:
Dealt to awein999 [Jd Jc]
pedrosilva91: folds
petryca: calls 120
hEtVoGelTje: calls 120
28nd28: folds
awein999: raises 600 to 720
ikswoknur: folds
petryca: folds
hEtVoGelTje: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [9d Th 9s]
awein999: bets 960
hEtVoGelTje: raises 6685 to 7645 and is all-in
awein999: calls 5840 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (845) returned to hEtVoGelTje
*** TURN *** [9d Th 9s] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [9d Th 9s 6d] [Ah]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
awein999: shows [Jd Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
hEtVoGelTje: shows [5s Ac] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
hEtVoGelTje collected 15370 from pot
awein999 finished the tournament in 20th place

Dealt to awein999 [Qd Qs]
awein999 said, "argh"
Fr0st3d said, "LOL and you took the easy way out wich is good for keeping chips in the long term"
awein999: raises 200 to 300
Uruguajhon: folds
Fr0st3d: folds
Tahki: folds
Niceburgh: raises 600 to 900
curs7: folds
Fr0st3d said, "it happens"
toni1979: raises 1136 to 2036 and is all-in
awein999: raises 718 to 2754 and is all-in
Niceburgh: folds
Uncalled bet (718) returned to awein999
*** FLOP *** [Jh Td Ah]
Fr0st3d said, "gl"
*** TURN *** [Jh Td Ah] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Td Ah 7h] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
toni1979: shows [As 8h] (a pair of Aces)
awein999: shows [Qd Qs] (a pair of Queens)
toni1979 collected 5092 from pot
awein999 said, "man I'm running so bad it's not even funny"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5092 | Rake 0
Board [Jh Td Ah 7h 4s]
Seat 1: Niceburgh (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: curs7 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: toni1979 (big blind) showed [As 8h] and won (5092) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: awein999 showed [Qd Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: Uruguajhon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Fr0st3d folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Tahki folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 1: Niceburgh (17201 in chips)
Seat 2: curs7 (2340 in chips)
Seat 4: toni1979 (2156 in chips)
Seat 6: awein999 (4604 in chips)
Seat 7: Uruguajhon (4990 in chips)
Seat 8: Fr0st3d (11350 in chips)
Seat 9: Tahki (8767 in chips)
Niceburgh: posts the ante 10
curs7: posts the ante 10
toni1979: posts the ante 10
awein999: posts the ante 10
Uruguajhon: posts the ante 10
Fr0st3d: posts the ante 10
Tahki: posts the ante 10
Niceburgh: posts small blind 50
curs7: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to awein999 [Qs Ac]
awein999 said, "argh"
toni1979: calls 100
awein999 said, "I was about to bet I'm so bad"
Niceburgh said, "Wondertastic hahaha"
awein999: raises 230 to 330
Fr0st3d said, "i would have called that river at any price "
Fr0st3d said, "for sure"
Uruguajhon: calls 330
Fr0st3d: folds
Tahki: folds
Niceburgh: folds
curs7: folds
toni1979: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks Qd As]
awein999: bets 500
Uruguajhon: calls 500
*** TURN *** [Ks Qd As] [Kh]
Fr0st3d said, "not betting that K or Q made you on J or a weak ace .. and i had both beat ...."
awein999: bets 500
awein999 said, "that's what I was afraid of lol"
Uruguajhon: calls 500
*** RIVER *** [Ks Qd As Kh] [9h]
awein999: bets 500
Uruguajhon: calls 500
*** SHOW DOWN ***
awein999: shows [Qs Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Uruguajhon: shows [Td Kd] (three of a kind, Kings)
Uruguajhon collected 3980 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3980 | Rake 0
Board [Ks Qd As Kh 9h]
Seat 1: Niceburgh (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: curs7 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: toni1979 folded before Flop
Seat 6: awein999 showed [Qs Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 7: Uruguajhon showed [Td Kd] and won (3980) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 8: Fr0st3d folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Tahki (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 1: FLATSBAR (3580 in chips)
Seat 2: curs7 (2085 in chips)
Seat 3: leyendas66 (4285 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: toni1979 (4080 in chips)
Seat 5: Flats1 (5000 in chips)
Seat 6: awein999 (3747 in chips)
Seat 7: Uruguajhon (4975 in chips)
Seat 8: Fr0st3d (5450 in chips)
Seat 9: Tahki (1720 in chips)
toni1979: posts small blind 25
Flats1: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to awein999 [Kh Jh]
Flats1 said, "nice"
awein999: raises 80 to 130
leyendas66 is disconnected
Uruguajhon said, "tyvm"
Uruguajhon: calls 130
Fr0st3d: folds
Tahki: calls 130
FLATSBAR: folds
curs7: folds
leyendas66: folds
toni1979: folds
Flats1: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ac Th 4c]
Fr0st3d said, "luckbox"
awein999: bets 250
Uruguajhon: folds
Tahki: calls 250
*** TURN *** [Ac Th 4c] [As]
awein999: checks
Tahki: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ac Th 4c As] [Qs]
awein999: bets 650
Tahki: raises 690 to 1340 and is all-in
awein999: calls 690
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Tahki: shows [Qc Ah] (a full house, Aces full of Queens)
awein999: shows [Kh Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Tahki collected 3645 from pot
awein999 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3645 | Rake 0
Board [Ac Th 4c As Qs]
Seat 1: FLATSBAR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: curs7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: leyendas66 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: toni1979 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Flats1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: awein999 showed [Kh Jh] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: Uruguajhon folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Fr0st3d folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Tahki showed [Qc Ah] and won (3645) with a full house, Aces full of Queens


this was a complete lol. I shove here with KK or AA first hand because there is always a caller in these tourneys. And I'm not going to fold KK preflop so just a cooler.
Seat 1: lasirobe (2000 in chips)
Seat 2: razelton (2000 in chips)
Seat 3: All In BLT (2000 in chips)
Seat 4: awein999 (2000 in chips)
Seat 5: krupzky (2000 in chips)
Seat 6: ramsej (2000 in chips)
Seat 7: -MiKiTo666- (2000 in chips)
Seat 8: Manul152 (2000 in chips)
Seat 9: hup!r8 (2000 in chips)
razelton: posts small blind 10
All In BLT: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to awein999 [Kh Ks]
awein999: raises 1980 to 2000 and is all-in
krupzky: folds
ramsej: folds
-MiKiTo666-: folds
Manul152: folds
hup!r8: folds
lasirobe: folds
razelton: folds
All In BLT: calls 1980 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [5d 5h 6d]
*** TURN *** [5d 5h 6d] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [5d 5h 6d Jh] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
All In BLT: shows [Ac Ad] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
awein999: shows [Kh Ks] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
All In BLT collected 4010 from pot
awein999 finished the tournament in 89th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4010 | Rake 0
Board [5d 5h 6d Jh Qh]
Seat 1: lasirobe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: razelton (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: All In BLT (big blind) showed [Ac Ad] and won (4010) with two pair, Aces and Fives
Seat 4: awein999 showed [Kh Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 5: krupzky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ramsej folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: -MiKiTo666- folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Manul152 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: hup!r8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 1: HlwdJoe (3950 in chips)
Seat 2: Elektroboter (1195 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: theclutchx (4250 in chips)
Seat 5: ducky1952 (14118 in chips)
Seat 6: love2qwillt (9730 in chips)
Seat 7: awein999 (2853 in chips)
Seat 8: LS38 (6404 in chips)
HlwdJoe: posts the ante 10
Elektroboter: posts the ante 10
theclutchx: posts the ante 10
ducky1952: posts the ante 10
love2qwillt: posts the ante 10
awein999: posts the ante 10
LS38: posts the ante 10
awein999: posts small blind 50
LS38: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to awein999 [Qc Qs]
HlwdJoe: folds
Elektroboter: folds
theclutchx: calls 100
ducky1952: folds
love2qwillt: calls 100
awein999: raises 500 to 600
LS38: folds
theclutchx: calls 500
love2qwillt: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 6s 3h]
awein999: bets 500
theclutchx: calls 500
*** TURN *** [Tc 6s 3h] [7d]
awein999: bets 1743 and is all-in
theclutchx: calls 1743
*** RIVER *** [Tc 6s 3h 7d] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
awein999: shows [Qc Qs] (a pair of Queens)
theclutchx: shows [Td Th] (three of a kind, Tens)
theclutchx collected 5956 from pot
theclutchx wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating awein999
awein999 finished the tournament in 37th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5956 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 6s 3h 7d 5c]
Seat 1: HlwdJoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Elektroboter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: theclutchx showed [Td Th] and won (5956) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: ducky1952 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: love2qwillt (button) folded before Flop
Seat 7: awein999 (small blind) showed [Qc Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 8: LS38 (big blind) folded before Flop

The worst one was probably when I was 3rd out of 16 in a tourney and I had AA and got all my chips in preflop and lost to K 10.

[Without A Contraceptive]

somebody come play play money heads up

[Reach]

I'm sitting if you want to play, contraceptive.

First tourney tonight. Blind structure is pretty brutal. Was way up for awhile, ran mostly 72 and other garbage for awhile until I had no choice but to make a standard shove. Didn't work out. *tear*

edit: Nobody joined the 10:30 tourney.

Played HU against ksl, since he was the only person in it. My specialty. Sadly, the results don't count

[nois-or-e]

Tourns up for tonight. Standard hold'em and a HORSE game.

Reach, blinds have been relaxed as the turn-out for game #2 always dwindles.

[DotKritic]

10 J Q K A Clubs

[Reach]

Originally Posted by nois-or-e

Tourns up for tonight. Standard hold'em and a HORSE game.

Reach, blinds have been relaxed as the turn-out for game #2 always dwindles.

Yeah, I noticed, since it was heads up in the second game :P

The structure was alright for HU play. I think we were 20 minutes in and the blinds were 30/60, which still left us pretty deep with lots of chips to work with.

In a ring game, I mean, it's fine since it's just for fun, but it would have to be changed if there were ever cash games. As it is it mostly just comes down to running well in the second half of the game.

Would there be a way to cap the blinds based on field size or is that not possible? Especially since there's antes; there's plenty of incentive to get involved in pots, so it's really unnecessary to have the blinds go absurdly high, unless you have two turds sitting around and letting the blinds pass back and forth between them.

Either that or give more time in the higher blind levels, and less time in the lower blind levels. Stack sizes aren't moving much early on, so we might as well move through them quickly, but in the higher levels you should have a bit more time given the stack flux due to blind levels.

I have a feeling you can't adjust either of those variables though XD

[lumphoboextreme]

about to go pound out a live session at 2/4$ blinds in a few hours.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by lumphoboextreme

about to go pound out a live session at 2/4$ blinds in a few hours.

When I first read this I thought you were playing online and was going to ask if you had lost your mind :P There are some idiots at that stakes, but it's mostly shark water, with a lot of really good short stackers.

2/4 is pretty soft live though, so hopefully you ran well; lots of money to be made if you do. How did the session go?

[Without A Contraceptive]

ya 2/4 and 2/5 live at home games (only played in a cruise ship casino) are super soft. if you run good you can Kill it

[ddrmaniacaaa]

Originally Posted by lumphoboextreme

about to go pound out a live session at 2/4$ blinds in a few hours.

The casino my dad goes to only features 3/6 NLHE/NLO (switches each round). He finds this pretty easy.

Awein: These are the kind of coolers i experience everyday. So far, im finding that about 90% of the time I am making the right decisions in the tourneys overall, and am only going all in when I have the absolute nuts. Preflop I have only gone in with AA KK or maybe AK, unless I am playing the daily 90k, which have faster blinds and antes. I hate outlasting 39k people only to lose to a kicker or cooler.

Also, anyone have an opinion on this? the daily 90k, which is a freeroll with 40k entrants, has 60 paid positions. Positions 1-7 get a ticket to the $55 Ninety Grand guarenteed tournement of their choice. The other 53 get $5.50. Although an entry into another tournament would be nice, I feel as if the $5.50 would be better. Less than 20% of the field at the ninety grand tourney recieves any money at all, so your not gaurenteed anything if you do win one of those tickets. This and the fact that the turbo blinds of the freeroll mean your never there for longer than 2 hours make some of the reason to earn some quick cash. Thouts?

[Without A Contraceptive]

come play ddrmaniac

[Reach]

Originally Posted by ddrmaniacaaa

The casino my dad goes to only features 3/6 NLHE/NLO (switches each round). He finds this pretty easy.

Awein: These are the kind of coolers i experience everyday. So far, im finding that about 90% of the time I am making the right decisions in the tourneys overall, and am only going all in when I have the absolute nuts. Preflop I have only gone in with AA KK or maybe AK, unless I am playing the daily 90k, which have faster blinds and antes. I hate outlasting 39k people only to lose to a kicker or cooler.

Also, anyone have an opinion on this? the daily 90k, which is a freeroll with 40k entrants, has 60 paid positions. Positions 1-7 get a ticket to the $55 Ninety Grand guarenteed tournement of their choice. The other 53 get $5.50. Although an entry into another tournament would be nice, I feel as if the $5.50 would be better. Less than 20% of the field at the ninety grand tourney recieves any money at all, so your not gaurenteed anything if you do win one of those tickets. This and the fact that the turbo blinds of the freeroll mean your never there for longer than 2 hours make some of the reason to earn some quick cash. Thouts?

Tourneys with fields that large are almost 0 skill dude. It doesn't matter what you're shoving with; even when you're way ahead, you're going to have to activate god mode to make it to those paid positions.

You're going to have to get it all in a ton to win this tourney, and even if you're shoving the nuts every time, you're almost never more than an 80% favorite to win. Let's say you only get it all in pre or on the flop while covered 10 times in the whole tourney, and every time you have them dominated (80%). The probability of you remaining by the end is only 11%. In reality, you're going to have to dodge way more bullets than that too (By 20 dominated all-ins, you're down to only 1% chance of still being there).


It's pretty pointless. Just deposit a few dollars from your bank account and stop wasting your time.



With regards to earlier: there was a 3 man pot. gazeebo went all in I think, you called and I re-raised you. You call. Or something like that. There was over 300 in the pot by the flop.

My 3 bet range here is pretty small and consists of only massive hands. Since gazeebo was already all in, there's almost no value at all to re-raising you unless I have a huge hand. Most strong hands here get a call, not a raise.

You should be folding most of your range here to my raise, because you're almost never ahead of my raising range.


As such, when the flop comes off like, 4A8 or whatever the flop was, you should never bet an 8. It's a profound mistake and you'll lose a ton of money taking this line. Again, since gazeebo is all in, you can only win my money. Pushing me out of the pot here won't win you any more money.

Of course, it'll effectively mean I'm not in the pot, but that's irrelevant. An 8 is probably not ahead of gazeebos range either, meaning you're still going to lose the pot most of the time.

Think about what hands I'm re-raising you with pre-flop here and how many of them have an ace in them. Most of them do. As such, I'm almost never folding when you make that bet, so you're left to completely hang yourself on the rest of the streets and or have no showdown value.


verdict: with gazeebo already all in on that flop with an 8, check back. I'm probably going to check down, even if I have you crushed. If you really truly believe your 8 is good, than you should also be checking down.

In reality you should fold pre in that spot though.

[awein999]

Originally Posted by ddrmaniacaaa

The casino my dad goes to only features 3/6 NLHE/NLO (switches each round). He finds this pretty easy.

Awein: These are the kind of coolers i experience everyday. So far, im finding that about 90% of the time I am making the right decisions in the tourneys overall, and am only going all in when I have the absolute nuts. Preflop I have only gone in with AA KK or maybe AK, unless I am playing the daily 90k, which have faster blinds and antes. I hate outlasting 39k people only to lose to a kicker or cooler.

Also, anyone have an opinion on this? the daily 90k, which is a freeroll with 40k entrants, has 60 paid positions. Positions 1-7 get a ticket to the $55 Ninety Grand guarenteed tournement of their choice. The other 53 get $5.50. Although an entry into another tournament would be nice, I feel as if the $5.50 would be better. Less than 20% of the field at the ninety grand tourney recieves any money at all, so your not gaurenteed anything if you do win one of those tickets. This and the fact that the turbo blinds of the freeroll mean your never there for longer than 2 hours make some of the reason to earn some quick cash. Thouts?

The daily 90k ticket is worth more than $5.50. If you don't want to use it you can sell it for close to its value.

[ddrmaniacaaa]

Originally Posted by Reach

With regards to earlier: there was a 3 man pot. gazeebo went all in I think, you called and I re-raised you. You call. Or something like that. There was over 300 in the pot by the flop.

My 3 bet range here is pretty small and consists of only massive hands. Since gazeebo was already all in, there's almost no value at all to re-raising you unless I have a huge hand. Most strong hands here get a call, not a raise.

You should be folding most of your range here to my raise, because you're almost never ahead of my raising range.


As such, when the flop comes off like, 4A8 or whatever the flop was, you should never bet an 8. It's a profound mistake and you'll lose a ton of money taking this line. Again, since gazeebo is all in, you can only win my money. Pushing me out of the pot here won't win you any more money.

Of course, it'll effectively mean I'm not in the pot, but that's irrelevant. An 8 is probably not ahead of gazeebos range either, meaning you're still going to lose the pot most of the time.

Think about what hands I'm re-raising you with pre-flop here and how many of them have an ace in them. Most of them do. As such, I'm almost never folding when you make that bet, so you're left to completely hang yourself on the rest of the streets and or have no showdown value.


verdict: with gazeebo already all in on that flop with an 8, check back. I'm probably going to check down, even if I have you crushed. If you really truly believe your 8 is good, than you should also be checking down.

In reality you should fold pre in that spot though.

Once Gazeebo was all in I can only worry about you, regardless that I only had middle pair. I rasied after you checked to see where I was at and dont think that was a mistake. If you had an ace your calling or a higher pocket pair than 8s your calling (or at least I would.) I made the raise to put you on a hand, nothing more. I know my middle pair is gonna be lacking against two others, especially if one is all in preflop. I figured I could push you out and go heads up with a better chance to win the pot, which I did. Based on the fact that half the deck is higher than my 8 and your preflop raise, you either hit the ace or you didnt, and that was what I was trying to find out. Checking it down there would just give you two more chances to hit your card, which you would most likely do. I guess I was underestimating what you had which is why I had to see where my 8s were at. Btw, what did you have, I would have not been able to lay down kings or queens there.


Awein, do you sell the ticket back to pokerstars, or were you just meaning player to player?

[awein999]

Originally Posted by ddrmaniacaaa

Once Gazeebo was all in I can only worry about you, regardless that I only had middle pair. I rasied after you checked to see where I was at and dont think that was a mistake. If you had an ace your calling or a higher pocket pair than 8s your calling (or at least I would.) I made the raise to put you on a hand, nothing more. I know my middle pair is gonna be lacking against two others, especially if one is all in preflop. I figured I could push you out and go heads up with a better chance to win the pot, which I did. Based on the fact that half the deck is higher than my 8 and your preflop raise, you either hit the ace or you didnt, and that was what I was trying to find out. Checking it down there would just give you two more chances to hit your card, which you would most likely do. I guess I was underestimating what you had which is why I had to see where my 8s were at. Btw, what did you have, I would have not been able to lay down kings or queens there.


Awein, do you sell the ticket back to pokerstars, or were you just meaning player to player?

in pokerstars's forums I believe you can put tickets to tourneys up for auction. Like if you win a ticket to a real life tourney and you aren't 21 yet you can sell it. I don't know much about it but I'm sure it exists somewhere.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by ddrmaniacaaa

Once Gazeebo was all in I can only worry about you, regardless that I only had middle pair. I rasied after you checked to see where I was at and dont think that was a mistake. If you had an ace your calling or a higher pocket pair than 8s your calling (or at least I would.) I made the raise to put you on a hand, nothing more. I know my middle pair is gonna be lacking against two others, especially if one is all in preflop. I figured I could push you out and go heads up with a better chance to win the pot, which I did. Based on the fact that half the deck is higher than my 8 and your preflop raise, you either hit the ace or you didnt, and that was what I was trying to find out. Checking it down there would just give you two more chances to hit your card, which you would most likely do. I guess I was underestimating what you had which is why I had to see where my 8s were at. Btw, what did you have, I would have not been able to lay down kings or queens there.


Awein, do you sell the ticket back to pokerstars, or were you just meaning player to player?

You can check down when someone else is all in you know. It's pretty standard, actually. Why are you so concerned about blowing me out of the pot with an 8 on a flop of 4A8? You have to create a separate pot in order to do so. You also don't even know an 8 is good against gazeebo if I fold.


It was a huge mistake. You should re-read what I said. It's fine to do something like that with play money, but as you've been talking about transitioning to cash, it's massively -EV to do that and you need to understand why in order to be successful.


The DL: By betting your 8, you are *never* betting for value. This bet is always a bluff, and this isn't the board texture or the situation to be bluffing in because there's not much in the pot between us and I serve to have a huge hand here.The bet is simply devoid of any value in that situation and you don't have much fold equity. Hence, it's -EV.


When someone makes a big preflop raise, you call it and someone makes a reraise on top of your call, they have a big hand. Remember, because gazeebo is all in, I have no fold equity against him. Therefore, this raise is *always* for value against both of you. What hands do I raise here for value? It's 3 handed, but that doesn't matter much. I'm only raising hands I know have gazeebo and you beat, so AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, AJ.

I'm oop, so I check that flop every time. Given there's an A on it, I hit it almost all of the time, and if I have any knowledge of how laggy you are, I'm going to call you with KK too.



Anyway, I laid down KK. Fairly standard without any information on a player, esp. given you shouldn't be betting that flop without a big A or 2 pair. Actually, I would say the only hand you want to bet there with is A8 or A4, or sets ofc, because it stands to have pretty high value against my range, in particular because I'm getting it all in with stuff like AK and AQ.

However, I wouldn't ever recommend making that call with hands that weak. Fold to re-raises like that unless you have a lot of information on a player, or you're holding something like TT+ or AJ+ (in which case you should probably shove, not call, unless you have the bullets and want to trap or something).

There are a few other issues; if the flop came 4K8 or 4Q8 or 4J8 etc this further goes to show why you wouldn't want to bet here (you managed to get one of the only flop textures where anyone would lay down their hand).