NFL's greatest franchise.

super kid · 12-6-2009, 06:05 PM

Today, a friend and I were debating who the all time greatest NFL franchise is. I want the members of FFR to give their own opinion. Also, please do not vote for a team simply because they are your favorite team.

Edit: please do not vote against a team because you simply hate them.

**badman7772** · 12-6-2009, 06:08 PM

It's easy. The Steelers. 6 SB titles. More than any other franchise.

**norsegod666** · 12-6-2009, 06:09 PM

Aside from the Green Bay Packers a couple years ago when they had Favre, the Dallas Cowboys have the largest fan-base in the NFL. It can be debated that the largest franchises are any of the 4 teams in the NFC East but Dallas wins by a long shot.

super kid · 12-6-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

Aside from the Green Bay Packers a couple years ago when they had Favre, the Dallas Cowboys have the largest fan-base in the NFL. It can be debated that the largest franchises are any of the 4 teams in the NFC East but Dallas wins by a long shot.

They have the biggest, but Steelers have been voted better fan base than the Cowboys by two sites.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/previe...ory?id=3530077 Number one here

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory...&photo=8358334 Number six here.

**psychoangel691** · 12-6-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

Aside from the Green Bay Packers a couple years ago when they had Favre, the Dallas Cowboys have the largest fan-base in the NFL. It can be debated that the largest franchises are any of the 4 teams in the NFC East but Dallas wins by a long shot.

This lol

super kid · 12-6-2009, 06:15 PM

Steelers actually have two votes. I meant to vote for them. Also, please explain why the you the team you voted for is the greatest.

**norsegod666** · 12-6-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by super kid

They have the biggest, but Steelers have been voted better fan base than the Cowboys by two sites.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/previe...ory?id=3530077 Number one here

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory...&photo=8358334 Number six here.

And that is exactly why you cannot go by sports news sites. Each set of reporters is biased in one way or another. Take FOX Sports for example. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman usually will have the call for the Dallas games. While watching these games do you ever hear many bad things being said about the Cowboys? What about when John Madden had the call for a Raiders game? The bias in sports news is so great that you prefer the groups that lean more for your team, hence why I prefer Fox Sports.

super kid · 12-6-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

And that is exactly why you cannot go by sports news sites. Each set of reporters is biased in one way or another. Take FOX Sports for example. Joe Buck and Troy Aikman usually will have the call for the Dallas games. While watching these games do you ever hear many bad things being said about the Cowboys? What about when John Madden had the call for a Raiders game? The bias in sports news is so great that you prefer the groups that lean more for your team, hence why I prefer Fox Sports.

Well what makes the Cowboys the greatest franchise?

**norsegod666** · 12-6-2009, 06:46 PM

The only place the Steelers beat the Cowboys is in Super Bowl Wins. Since their inception into the league in 1960, the Dallas Cowboys have made 10 Super Bowl appearances, winning 5, they have been to the post-season 25 times, and team is valued at $1.7 billion. Since the Steelers were founded in 1933 they have made 25 post-season trips, made 7 Super Bowl appearances, winning 6, and the team is valued at $1 billion(post-season and super bowl appearances both contain numbers from pre-1966).

super kid · 12-6-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

The only place the Steelers beat the Cowboys is in Super Bowl Wins.

That is true

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

Since their inception into the league in 1960, the Dallas Cowboys have made 10 Super Bowl

They've only made 8 trips to the super bowl.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5091023AADHjXm

Steelers are 6 and 1 with a 0.857 winning percentage in the super bowl.

Cowboys are 5 and 3 with a 0.625 winning percentage in the super bowl.

In the playoff's The Steelers are 31 and 20 with a .608 winning percentage.

Cowboys are 32 and 24 with a .571 winning percentage.

**norsegod666** · 12-6-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by super kid

They've only made 8 trips to the super bowl.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5091023AADHjXm

That is since they joined the NFC. Dallas originally started in the NFL Eastern Conference, winning 2 championships(1966 and 1967).

super kid · 12-6-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

That is since they joined the NFC. Dallas originally started in the NFL Eastern Conference, winning 2 championships(1966 and 1967).

Those aren't sb's, those are Conference championships. Super Bowl one was played on January 15, 1967.

The Cowboys have only made 8 "Super Bowl" appearance's.

**norsegod666** · 12-6-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by super kid

Those aren't sb's, those are Conference championships. Super Bowl one was played on January 15, 1967.

The Cowboys have only made 8 "Super Bowl" appearance's.

Winning a Conference Championship puts you in the Championship game..

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

(post-season and super bowl appearances both contain numbers from pre-1966).

super kid · 12-6-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

Winning a Conference Championship puts you in the Championship game..

But it's not a Super Bowl. The first Super Bowl was played on January 15, 1967. The Cowboys have 8 Super Bowl trips.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_NFL_t...wl_appearences

http://dallascowboys.designbypam.com/8_super_bowl.html

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

(post-season and super bowl appearances both contain numbers from pre-1966).

This is not accurate since the first Super Bowl was played on January 15, 1967. You can't have Super Bowl numbers from pre-1966 since the first Super Bowl was not played until January 15, 1967.

**norsegod666** · 12-6-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by super kid

But it's not a Super Bowl. The first Super Bowl was played on January 15, 1967. The Cowboys have 8 Super Bowl trips.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_NFL_t...wl_appearences

http://dallascowboys.designbypam.com/8_super_bowl.html

So the 6-time World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers have the most NFL Championships according to you.

super kid · 12-6-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by norsegod666

So the 6-time World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers have the most NFL Championships according to you.

They have the most super bowl championships.

**norsegod666** · 12-6-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by super kid

They have the most super bowl championships.

But isn't the Super Bowl the NFL Championship?

**duddychuck@yahoo.com** · 12-6-2009, 08:47 PM

The Patriots had there time in the spot lite, you gotta hand it to them for there dynasty, they were simply unstoppable. The Steelers on the other hand, 6 rings is a very significant accomplishment. Also they are always a contender to be in the playoffs every year.

**norsegod666** · 12-6-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by duddychuck@yahoo.com

The Patriots had there time in the spot lite, you gotta hand it to them for there dynasty, they were simply unstoppable. The Steelers on the other hand, 6 rings is a very significant accomplishment. Also they are always a contender to be in the playoffs every year.

How can you even class the Patriots with Dallas and Pittsburgh? Sure they had that one really good year but both Dallas and Pittsburgh had dynasties(note the plural use of the word). As much as I may differ in opinion with Pittsburgh fans I will not class New England with teams that have proven themselves great time and time again.

**Emo_Saur_** · 12-6-2009, 09:08 PM

Honestly bandwagon plays a huge part in fan-base. This year being either Indi or NO.

View Poll Results: Greatest NFL franchise?
Pittsburgh Steelers	6	20.69%
Dallas Cowboys	7	24.14%
Green Bay Packers	3	10.34%
New Englad Patriots	5	17.24%
Other, please specify in post.	8	27.59%
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12-6-2009, 06:08 PM	#2
badman7772 It happens for a reason. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Age: 34 Posts: 5,622	Re: NFL's greatest franchise. It's easy. The Steelers. 6 SB titles. More than any other franchise. __________________ like, giggity or something?

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duddychuck@yahoo.com Retired Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,111	Re: NFL's greatest franchise. The Patriots had there time in the spot lite, you gotta hand it to them for there dynasty, they were simply unstoppable. The Steelers on the other hand, 6 rings is a very significant accomplishment. Also they are always a contender to be in the playoffs every year. __________________

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Emo_Saur_ FFR Veteran Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kansas City, Missouri. Age: 31 Posts: 2,952	Re: NFL's greatest franchise. Honestly bandwagon plays a huge part in fan-base. This year being either Indi or NO. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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