05-11-2019, 01:09 AM | #1401 |
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05-11-2019, 01:52 AM | #1402 |
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Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread
Of course, no one is here anymore.
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05-11-2019, 02:18 AM | #1403 |
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Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread
can i just sanity confirm that antori's role was wolf 1-shot role cop
like we all saw that, right? there's no chance of a serial killer anymore btw because roundbox was real (he'd have to have been fake after the last lynch) |
05-11-2019, 02:21 AM | #1404 |
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i am leaning lynching mml, make me quote the posts in the morning
roundbox block choice is actually kind of hard because the fake cop can just carry kp, but you also don't wanna block the real cop |
05-11-2019, 02:24 AM | #1405 |
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i almost suggested the cops check each other, but the flip made that irrelevant, so that would be why to peek among the unchecked
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05-11-2019, 05:49 AM | #1406 |
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Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread
Believe haku over mml, wolf roleblock would roleblock one of the cop claims there.
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05-11-2019, 06:05 AM | #1408 |
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Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread
Shado keep doing that thing where he answers for others when he should be sitting back and waiting for said person to answer.
Also didn't like how he kind of indirectly pushed me to claim. It's like trying to control events to unfold a certain way when there's no reason to evaluate said event until it happens. Ideally, I should have claimed one phase later. Something's fishy here imo. |
05-11-2019, 08:14 AM | #1409 |
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Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread
in the case that one of the cops flips godfather, we have enough living green checks to win. if one of the cops flips roleblocker, none of the green checks in the game matter. cop power is kind of a formality as of last night.
hakus checks make more sense than mmls, and was a claim that came out very naturally without any pressure iirc. however, things that both of them are saying suck rn LOL but i do want to reiterate that we still make it to final 3 at worst there were like 3 derp plays in the skimming i did this phase alone and i refuse to clear anyone for that kind of thing lol
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(incidentally, that could be thought to give the claim legitimacy, because claiming No Result is otherwise unnecessary and forces you to give a peek the following night, but it could also just be a mistake) also, thoughts beyond that given that antori's claim was 1-shot roleblocker, it seems fairly likely wolves knew about the full roleblocker, though whether this is by peeking him or being blocked is tbd. so this tells them one letter and they know 2 more are out there. but even if A is one of those letters, an angel can't protect the same night it is not a guarantee that wolves learned this info n1, and i suppose it's not wrong for them to sit on using the role cop shot, but were i on that team i'd be tempted to fire it off immediately. but in the world where wolves rc roundbox n1, why does he live through n2? there's potential for angel dodging (i wouldn't say the townreads on him d0 were wide, but i was one of those people) but then why do you not take the kill that's never an angel target. remember at this point the cop claim battle wasn't set up, so they didn't really have to count claims yet and plan kills accordingly i'm starting to think xel died because mml peeks red and they thought he could be a cop from d1. go check his eod, even stuff before that. even if you know a roleblocker exists, what role is higher prio to find and take out if you've got a lead? a cop notably this world doesn't require either dai or gradi to be the godfather based on rb's targets, though i'm keeping the gradi gf thing in the back of my mind because of a few reasons 1. being mml's first peek 2. being wrong about why mml would get no result, which makes me think he could push for this line of play in wolfchat based on his own misconception |
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"inD it's not morning anymore"
look, i have a bunch of west coaster friends and i'm skidding |
05-11-2019, 12:26 PM | #1412 |
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i also did some thinking on the question of, why did antori claim. if he and shado, as partners, both stay in the unpeeked vt pool, they're in trouble, but antori's role ever flipping gives us the setup and outs where a partner is generally, whereas shado flipping godfather wouldn't
the thing is, i believe godfather shado making the fake claim locks the game when he flips, so that'd be a distinct incentive for him not to try a claim and makes me still unable to clear him this is, admittedly, colored by the assumption that the fake cop is the roleblocker i iterated on this for people in the green check pool too but it seemed less definitive there |
05-11-2019, 12:57 PM | #1413 |
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05-11-2019, 01:19 PM | #1414 |
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that also means antori literally asked me what i thought about the big post from the guy they might have thought was the cop to see if i was down with lynching him
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I don't "answer questions for others". Period. I haven't done it once this game (including the comment on Gradiant's post early on). I'd love for you to quote me directly answering a question addressed to anyone other than myself. It doesn't happen. I'll share my thoughts on stuff that I think is relevant, even if its an ongoing conversation, but it's a plain lie and misrepresentation of my play to say I answer questions for others. If you end up being town we can talk more about why weighing in on everything, even ongoing conversations, is a *GOOD* thing later on Quote:
You claimed two green checks right off the bat at a point when everyone had already broken cover in our reactions to MML's claim. My reaction was like "damn, forreal?" or something along those lines. You saying "hypocop" at that point does NOT magically restore cover to you. If you felt you should've claimed one day later then you absolutely should've. But you can't have it both ways. So instead, I made the best of the situation where we had TWO outed cops and started a massclaim hoping that mechanics would lead to a wolf. and GUESS WHAT? THEY DID. That is NOT "Shado indirectly pushed me to claim". It's more like "I claimed and then waffled with an impossible hypocop so Shado held me accountable by telling me to either confirm or retract and now I'm upset because I realized I should've claimed one day later".
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I think keeping these two lines of reasoning in mind leads to: >Because fakeclaiming cop will get lynched guaranteed either this phase or next, wolves are required to block the real cop or reveal too much info to recover from >If they knew this, though, then it wouldn't make sense for wolves to come out with a claimed check. They would claim No result and end up at a thunderdome with no additional mechanical info. >Wolves would not care to block the real cop if the godfather is not the fakeclaiming cop. Either godfather has already been checked or godfather is in the unchecked (includes those checked by the fakecop) VTs. >Wolves claiming to be blocked while letting the real cop out his check is then possible, as is claiming a check while blocking the real cop. This is pretty much WIFOM and reading too much into goes nowhere. I think I have a better shot solving Haku than MML so that's where I'ma focus my reading. If anyone else thinks they have a good handle on either player, now's the time to ISO them and come to a conclusion. Despite the fakecop getting lynched either way, it'd help town's odds immensely if we do get it right the first time. I don't think we're ever lucky enough to have the fakeclaiming cop be the godfather given the claimed checks, unfortunately.
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I wrote that before seeing your green checks. You can read my following post and see very obviously the difference in reaction once I actually saw your claim.
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Also, you claimed before I wrote that, so how am I forcing you to claim after the fact?
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This paranoia actually feels towny coming from Haku. He's just directing it at the wrong person rn.
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Oh god I wish I could delete my own post. I realized too late it could inspire a whole ton of fake paranoia if he's wolfing
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