That's Just Not Right...That's Sick.

[KA0Z R4VR]

This thread started to lose its meaning. Can we close this? This is pointless...

[IDKW2CM]

Yes, I agree.
Close it.

[Tater Tot]

Dude, this thread lost its meaning on page two.

[Silvuh]

Originally Posted by Fenrirs Nova

By deductive reasoning, I've concluded that you have nothing else to look forward to except arguing on this thread and and trying to make yourself seem superior to everyone else.

Originally Posted by Fenrirs Nova

And once again, since I didn't put a (figurative) on the sentence, you have taken it literally.

The quote above this one equates to saying "You have no life". You said you came to the conclusion through deductive reasoning, so it sounds like you meant to be taken seriously. I'd like to know how you thought someone would be able to assume you didn't mean for it to be taken literally.

Originally Posted by Fenrirs Nova

Nonetheless, my opinion hasn't changed one bit about homosexuality.

When you say "homosexuality", do you mean "what causes homosexuality"? If not, then that sentence is irrelevant. If so, then that's too bad. After stating your belief, you were advised to base your beliefs on facts. Seems like a reasonable request, right? Criticism might not change your beliefs, but perhaps research will.

Originally Posted by psychopete

Your opinion has just as much merit as another person's.

Why are people still saying this... What you're saying supports the reasoning that the opinions of a scholar who knows the facts about the subject at hand have no more merit than opinions not supported with logic and fact from someone else. I would like to see a revised statement that invalidates this retort.


About the event described in the OP... well, I have nothing to say about it that hasn't already been said. Odd how there was no ... law stuff going on in that situation, as behanjc mentioned on the first page. That's what worries me more, because that's an issue with the law and not a person's beliefs—if I'm not mistaken.

Triple-Ninja'd edit: Well, as I said, I can't think of anything that hasn't already been said. Maybe other people have that same thought, too. (Which may be why they aren't posting about it.) It would be nice if the OP returned with more information on the event—information that answers some of our questions, that is. ("I was informed that ..." doesn't cut it, because it states no source.) Maybe then the topic will return to its original meaning.

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by Fenrirs Nova

because at my current level of knowledge on psychology, it's impossible

You are an idiot, and on top of that, you're incredibly arrogant. Funny how I get accused of that and yet I don't have this pretense that somehow I'm right just because I am. I actually base my opinions on some sort of fact or substance and then back it up with a good argument. You just say 'WAHH I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I AM, WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY UNDERSTAND ME?! WAHH"

Originally Posted by psychopete

People think the way they think, we can't change that. People form opinions based on things without a shred of evidence behind it all the time, we can't stop it from happening, despite how stupid it is.

So when there's ignorance and stupidity out there it's best to just sit down and shut up? Funny how any time I just might be right, you and several others revert to "well you know what? It didn't matter anyways." You lose, get over yourself.

Originally Posted by KA0Z R4VR

the whole issue itself is opinion. And whether or not they have "baseless" opinion (also known as being bias), they are entitled to that opinion. And for you to point out fallacies like you know every logical reasoning is starting to derail this "chit chat" into a "tl;dr" forum.

So you're calling Critical Thinking a derailed tl;dr forum? All opinions are not equal. Regardless of opinion, it must be DERIVED from fact. If you base it on thin air, your argument is worthless and your opinion means nothing. We're supposed to be entitled to our opinions, yet so few of us bother to substantiate them. And the fact that you're allowed to be a misinformed jackass doesn't make your opinion valid, nor does it make all opinions equally valid.

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by OrganisM

So when there's ignorance and stupidity out there it's best to just sit down and shut up? Funny how any time I just might be right, you and several others revert to "well you know what? It didn't matter anyways." You lose, get over yourself.

Tell me this, what exactly do you have to personally gain from calling someone ignorant? It's not going to change who they are. It isn't right that people are ignorant, yes. But are our words going to drastically alter the way people think? No, we don't have that kind of influence.

Also, you're telling me to get over myself? Ahaha, you make me laugh.

[Flaming_Dingleberry]

The mother should go to prison, she basically murdered him, and same for the retards who let the homophobic mother decide to let him die. Just because there's a system we have to follow in order to decide whether pull the plug, can't we input some logic in these situations?

[DossarLX ODI]

Well, I have a question for this kind of behavior: Does a person start out as naturally good and become corrupted by society/environment, or does a person start out as naturally "bad" and become good from society/environment?

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by psychopete

Tell me this, what exactly do you have to personally gain from calling someone ignorant? It's not going to change who they are. It isn't right that people are ignorant, yes. But are our words going to drastically alter the way people think? No, we don't have that kind of influence.

Again, you're all but saying that my argument has no merit because you believe it won't change people. Perhaps most of you here are too dense to understand anything, but there are many out there who will listen to reason, and my life is all about making that change. The arts have a close connection to everyone's hearts, and that's the way I believe promoting change will be most effective. If you want to sit down and shut up and resign yourself to never being able to make a change in the world, fine. But don't insinuate that I don't have the willpower to make that change.

Also, you're telling me to get over myself? Ahaha, you make me laugh.

Yes, I am. And you're feigning amusement instead of taking my advice. I'm starting to see a trend here, though I already privately made the assumption that you're an ass. You're even better at it than I am. Congratulations to you, but I have bigger priorities. At least you can die knowing you have one accomplishment under your belt.

[Grandiagod]

hey look i'm tough on the internet, you can't tell me what to do

[OrganisM]

Ya cut me deep man, ya cut me deep.

[robertsona]

Look at me and my condescending attitude on the internet woops forgot nobody likes me.
/troll

[OrganisM]

You're not clever.

[Chaosvermin]

Shut the **** up.

/Thread

[IDKW2CM]

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[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by Chaosvermin

Shut the **** up.

/Thread

End yourself.

/Life

[IDKW2CM]

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[KA0Z R4VR]

Originally Posted by OrganisM

So you're calling Critical Thinking a derailed tl;dr forum? All opinions are not equal. Regardless of opinion, it must be DERIVED from fact. If you base it on thin air, your argument is worthless and your opinion means nothing. We're supposed to be entitled to our opinions, yet so few of us bother to substantiate them. And the fact that you're allowed to be a misinformed jackass doesn't make your opinion valid, nor does it make all opinions equally valid.

Allow me to laugh this one out a bit. Critical Thinking is a forum where reading comes hand in hand with making your point. CHIT CHAT IS FOR CHIT CHAT. Since you are so into defining things, chit chat is essentially "small talk".

When you are in public, do you like to *correct* people when having small talk?
"Hey, nice weather today! It's like 80 outside"
"NO ITS NOT NICE WEATHER BECAUSE I DEEM NICE WEATHER TO BE 82 DEGREES AND ITS NOT EXACTLY 82 DEGREES...blah blah blah barometer blah blah blah the sun blah blah blah your opinion is wrong blah blah."

Want to know what makes anyones opinion "valid"?: I THINK THEREFOR I AM.
You can't take away what people will accept, deny, challenge, think, nor believe. Sometimes, you need to embrace the fact that not everyone is enveloped in the rights and wrongs of what they are saying and are simply putting thoughts on paper (or threads) because they can, want to, and will without knowing a damn reason behind it.

Want to know my opinion on you? YOU FAIL


Let's close this thread please.

[Silvuh]

Originally Posted by KA0Z R4VR

When you are in public, do you like to *correct* people when having small talk?

Ooh, I do!

"Hey, nice weather today! It's like 80 outside!"

This is not a baseless opinion. Say the person has come to an idea of what he finds to be nice weather through experiencing weather he finds unpleasant. "I prefer mild temperatures, because I don't like being too cold or two hot. I don't like full overcast, because dark days are too gloomy for me. I like a bit of wind, because it's cooler—but not so much that it blows my papers away. I don't like how dry weather flakes my skin, and I don't like muggy, wet weather, either. Today, the temperature is about 80 degrees, I can see the sun, it's not humid or dry, and I can feel some wind, so, yeah, it's a nice day out for me." is different from saying "The weather is nice today because I can't spread cold peanut butter."

"NO ITS NOT NICE WEATHER BECAUSE I DEEM NICE WEATHER TO BE 82 DEGREES AND ITS NOT EXACTLY 82 DEGREES...blah blah blah barometer blah blah blah the sun blah blah blah your opinion is wrong blah blah."

This is not a reply to a baseless opinion or faulty reasoning, so it's not helping your argument.

Want to know what makes anyones opinion "valid"?

I'll go to the dictionary for this one (i.e. dictionary.com). I'm pretty sure the definition in question is "1.sound; just; well-founded". If the facts and reasoning an opinion is based on aren't sound, just, and well-founded, then... Well, it's not that great of an opinion, is it?
I can see Russia from my house.

I THINK, THEREFORE I AM.

I thought all this meant was "Because I can think, I exist." Not "Because I can think, my opinions are valid."

You can't take away what people will accept, deny, challenge, think, nor believe.

This has been said before. It sounds like you're saying a person's beliefs can not be changed. Isn't a change in mind involved in things like maturing and converting?

Sometimes, you need to embrace the fact that not everyone is enveloped in the rights and wrongs of what they are saying and are simply putting thoughts on paper (or threads) because they can, want to, and will without knowing a damn reason behind it.

This has also been said before. Sounds to me like you're saying that just because of the fact that people make baseless opinions, we shouldn't tell people not to make baseless opinions—or that our attempts are futile. Just because A happens, you can't stop anyone from doing A. Is that what you mean?

Let's close this thread please.

If B is an argument against A, and all you can do is use A to argue against B... It's a circle.
"Everyone's opinion is valid."
"Opinions need to be derived from fact to be valid."
"No, everyone's opinion is valid! "
By not contributing any new, relevant, and valid arguments, one throws himself in to the circle. There's more to this thread than the circle you're in.

Maybe should get in to the differences between opinions, beliefs and arguments?

[KA0Z R4VR]

Originally Posted by Silvuh

Ooh, I do!
This is not a baseless opinion. Say the person has come to an idea of what he finds to be nice weather through experiencing weather he finds unpleasant. "I prefer mild temperatures, because I don't like being too cold or two hot. I don't like full overcast, because dark days are too gloomy for me. I like a bit of wind, because it's cooler—but not so much that it blows my papers away. I don't like how dry weather flakes my skin, and I don't like muggy, wet weather, either. Today, the temperature is about 80 degrees, I can see the sun, it's not humid or dry, and I can feel some wind, so, yeah, it's a nice day out for me." is different from saying "The weather is nice today because I can't spread cold peanut butter."

I wasn't trying to illustrate a "baseless" opinion. Only an opinion. And, like I said it's "chit chat" not "Let me tell you why I love the weather today as oppose to those muggy days we have every year. No, this day is different. This is the day I will tell you why I like the weather although you had no intentions on directing this conversation about last weeks forecast." You didn't prove much of a point assuming that my example was dealing with "baseless" opinion. Ass. u. me.

This is not a reply to a baseless opinion or faulty reasoning, so it's not helping your argument.

This is a reply to an opinion the person is choosing to have about the weather. Same as the rebuttal would be an opinion itself. STFU, you have horrible social skills when it comes to "chit chat"

I'll go to the dictionary for this one (i.e. dictionary.com). I'm pretty sure the definition in question is "1.sound; just; well-founded". If the facts and reasoning an opinion is based on aren't sound, just, and well-founded, then... Well, it's not that great of an opinion, is it?
I can see Russia from my house.

Well let's think about the term "valid opinion":

Opinion: a personal belief or judgment that is not founded on proof or certainty

Valid : well grounded or justifiable, pertinent; acceptable, proper or correct, relevant

Well, according to this it's more or less a paradox.
Can you have both? Validity and opinion. Sure. Can they contradict? Of course.
I think one should only use the term "valid" when they are dealing with TRUE STATEMENTS where THE VALIDITY CAN BE PROVEN BECAUSE VALIDITY IS A QUALITY OF TRUTH, NOT OPINIONS WTF?!
Want to know what makes any opinion "valid" aside from the quality of truth. If you believe it's valid, then it is. As an opinion it can not be tested for fault or truth. If you believe in your statement, it is valid. But, I am using the term "valid" VERY LOOSELY when it comes down to opinion, because I know not many people are going to find MY opinion valid. It's only going to valid for me.

I thought all this meant was "Because I can think, I exist." Not "Because I can think, my opinions are valid."

There is one key emphasis you are missing.
I. One more time. I. Let's recap. I. Are you getting this? I. I AM. I exist, don't I? I think, do I not? If I cherish my opinion, is that not the same as saying "I cherish, therefor I am."
Point? You are individual who thinks and is still entitled to an opinion no matter how wrong or right others may think you or your reasoning are.

This has been said before. It sounds like you're saying a person's beliefs can not be changed. Isn't a change in mind involved in things like maturing and converting?

Where did you even come up with this idea? Are you reading? "you can't TAKE AWAY" not "you can never change". As long as the person wants to hold on to the idea whether it is belief or opinion, you can not take that away. It is up to the person to surrender their idea or belief. Can you influence this? Of course, anyone can. You have a twisted notion of arguing. Like I said. Assumptions. Ass. YOU. Me

This has also been said before. Sounds to me like you're saying that just because of the fact that people make baseless opinions, we shouldn't tell people not to make baseless opinions—or that our attempts are futile. Just because A happens, you can't stop anyone from doing A. Is that what you mean?

"Sounds to me" is an opinion that is completely out of context with what I am saying. You obviously didn't read what I posted, and if you did, you didn't grasp the higher level thinking concept required to EMBRACE the fact. Just because A happens doesn't mean we can't stop it. We just can't control it, within context. You are starting to annoy me.

If B is an argument against A, and all you can do is use A to argue against B... It's a circle.
"Everyone's opinion is valid."
"Opinions need to be derived from fact to be valid."
"No, everyone's opinion is valid! "
By not contributing any new, relevant, and valid arguments, one throws himself in to the circle. There's more to this thread than the circle you're in.

I am not here to learn about circular argumentative fallacies. The thing about this thread is that no new, relevant, and "valid" arguments exists. It's all opinion. And that's all it is going to be. This statement was as useless as your post.

Maybe should get in to the differences between opinions, beliefs and arguments?

I think that's what OrganisM and you were doing. I just got pissed off at seeing it each time someone put their 2 cents in. Truth is, no one cares about difference in opinion when it comes down to it. You don't care why I think you're wrong (or right), nor do I care if OrganisM is either. Let people have opinions without being bashed in by CT when they were in this for small talk to begin with.