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because apparently everyone in a group has to answer for the worst part now.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islami...and_the_Levant what motivated the paris attacks? well this is what isis claims motivated them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op%C3%A9ration_Chammal Quote:
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even if you blame the ottoman empire (which i dont) where do you think the ottoman empire came from? it was a product of the byzantine empire. one empire systematically replacing another, kind of the story of most of history. islamic terror in general? hmm probably british colonialism, followed by the creation of israel after world war two, and the cold war where the united states and russia used the countries in the middle east as surrogate fighters, followed by the US involvement in the first gulf war, and finally terrible decision making by starting a war in iraq. does that about cover it? Quote:
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also i think if you replace islam with another religion and replay the events of the last 100 years you're going to get more of a similar response to today than you would if you left islam in place with the US, Russia, etc, being isolationists. Quote:
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[/quote] I say not the religion itself for a multitude of reasons: Christianity doesn't promote death for gays or any LGBT people like Sharia law does,[/quote] again, you're focused on policy, i'm focused on the actual result of the religion and its influence on culture. Quote:
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http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/christian_pastor_says_gays_worthy_of_death_at_conference_with_3_gop_presidential_candidates https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/06/14/pastor-refuses-to-mourn-orlando-victims-the-tragedy-is-that-more-of-them-didnt-die/ http://shoebat.com/2016/06/10/major-catholic-priest-declares-that-homosexuals-are-worthy-of-death/ Quote:
so you are wrong. just completely wrong. (oh btw all those links were only from america and italy. nothing outside the first world. in case you were interested. Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jama%2...whid_wal-Jihad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzim...ad_al-Rafidayn do some reading. make some real connections between facts. when did i mention the crusades? oh, right, never. good thing the byzantine empire began before any of the shit on that list. good try. try again. Quote:
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what happened after the iraq war? Quote:
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hooray for an overly simplistic worldview! Quote:
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seriously, it's becoming very, very clear that your reading comprehension level is minuscule. that or you dont actually want to read what i'm saying becasue either it would make you have to change your opinion or perhaps you just dont have the capacity for anything resembling complex thought. not that the things i've been saying are that complex. please read. read and then respond to the things i write instead of picking a single word and responding to that one word in a way that makes it clear you either arent reading or arent comprehending. please dear god. Quote:
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things are way more complex than that. Quote:
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lets blame all of islam for terror. that probably wont end up backfiring at all. Quote:
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what you are doing, and have been doing almost non stop is called cherry picking. Quote:
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yeah i copy/pasted because i figure that increases the odds that you'll actually read it/comprehend it. |
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06-24-2016, 10:31 AM | #224 | |
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It's true because it's common sense
flawless.
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06-24-2016, 08:46 PM | #225 |
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somehow I don't think fojar was trying to pass that off as a formal proof.
I also don't see where you've made any long-winded posts explaining your thinking beyond the surface of what you think, so this is a weird post |
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never brought up the crusades, you continue to say that i did. i brought up the byzantine empire which predates anything you have mentioned about muslims probably because it predates the birth of muhammad by 200 years or so.
you still cant realize that when i compare muslim on muslim terror to the IRA it's to say that it's NOT because of religion. not trying to say that christians are terrorists, i'm saying the opposite. just because the IRA had a religious affiliation doesnt mean that their terror was inspired by religion. it was tribal. which is what muslim on muslim violence is, which is what makes up the bulk of terrorism related deaths. you say that third world christian countries dont have sharia law, but uganda tried to pass a death for gays law and actually passed a life in prison for gays law, that was only thrown out on a technicality. well done christianity. not to mention that LGBT deaths in south america are rampant. i'm not linking again because you wont read the links anyways. basically if there isn't a pretty picture you'll just ignore it. if you want to, just go back and find the links i posted before. but you wont. so oh well. god damn this is getting me fumed i dont know if there's a language barrier or if you're just a fucking moron but you continue to strawman instead of responding to the things i actually say. it's very, very easy to find buddhist, jewish, and hindu terror. like, ridiculously easy, but i'm done googling for you. you dont even read the things i say or link to anyways. live in ignorance, it seems that you are comfortable there already. you say christians dont preach death, i prove you wrong in two seconds. but then it's that *not all* christians preach death but *some* muslims do so yeah one religion is way better. way way better. never tried to take away agency. individuals all make decisions on their own. not sure what that has to do with the fact that ISIS would not exist without the war in Iraq. the split between shia and sunni was about who should lead after muhammad died. the split was along family lines. about as tribal as it gets. yes, it had to do with religion, in that they were picking who should be the leader next. had nothing to do with any beliefs other than who should be the leader, and they've been fighting ever since. so in summation: strawmanning is perfectly fine for you to do, but when i do it in response you get real, real salty. and then you continue to strawman me, over and over. and over. and over. maybe middleasterners hate the west because we spent half a century fighting our wars in their countries with their citizens? nah, it's just islam obviously. your response to "things are complicated" is a bunch of oversimplifications of any argument i've made and several things i havent said. great work there bud. it's clear that you've made up your mind, you've chosen to see the world the same way that islamic terrorists do. they're bad, i'm good. i could never do bad because i'm good and they're bad. some are bad, all are bad, only i and people like me are good. enjoy the company. since you dont actually read anything i've said, and i'm just going to go ahead and assume that you will continue to read maybe one word, interpret that word however you'd like and then strawman away. it would be one thing if we simply disagreed, i would probably continue to argue until we came to some kind of conclusion, but when you completely ignore the words i'm writing and respond to some kind of delusional version of them, i start to get frustrated. imagine if i had responded to everything you posted with this: because that's basically all you've done this entire time. so i'm done. hopefully someday you can look back at this and feel really stupid. |
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and just to be clear, i'm not just getting mad and taking my ball home.
to people other than kaj: if he ever demonstrates that he has actually read the things i've written and responds to them in a logical way without strawmanning, send me a PM and i'll come back and respond. |
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still waiting for an islamic vn
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p much on it
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06-25-2016, 06:18 AM | #230 | |
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I don't need a wall of text to explain myself.
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06-25-2016, 11:36 AM | #231 |
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except a handful of your posts ITT were obfuscated by sarcasm until someone asked what you were trying to say
and then you singled out one line of a many-paragraph post for being terse. thats all I'm getting at. |
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