Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre

**GG_Guru** · 06-27-2009, 12:34 AM

So I've been thinking lately...since the former king of pop Michael Jackson recently passed away would it be appropriate to step his music for FFR without requestingthe company's approval? His tragic death has devastated many fans including most of our community and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't include his music in the database, after all he was a great musician...

Also, I haven't been too sure about this yet but I was wondering if adding a new "Pop" genre might be possible. This might sound crazy but I'd like to hear your opinions on this.

edit: Let the ranting begin.

blazzezezeze · 06-27-2009, 12:36 AM

there is a law about this and im not too sure of the details. but i think its something like 50 years after their death it becomes legal or if one of his close relatives allows it (meaning his wife or children, etc).

edit: or his record label obviously

**virus003** · 06-27-2009, 12:38 AM

you have to request whatever company his music is with to have permission
good luck on that

AC1speakerbox · 06-27-2009, 12:39 AM

(temporary?) MJ song, good.
Pop genre is meh though.

**i love you** · 06-27-2009, 12:46 AM

No, you still have to ask the company because his music are copyright. The default length of copyright is the life of the author plus either 50 or 70 years.

! 7! · 06-27-2009, 12:47 AM

well ask the company and if they say no wait 50 years :P ! 7!

**GG_Guru** · 06-27-2009, 01:01 AM

Okay, so we already know that stepping his music without consent from the company is out of the question at this time...Now the only mystery remaining is whether or not having a Pop genre in FFR can be debatable.

Any thoughts or comments?

Xx{Midnight}xX · 06-27-2009, 01:41 AM

No. Pop music needs to stay the **** out.

**Oni-Paranoia** · 06-27-2009, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

No. Pop music needs to stay the **** out.

This

who_cares973 · 06-27-2009, 01:52 AM

pop makes good files you guys just cant step

Afrobean · 06-27-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

pop makes good files you guys just cant step

I'm going to go ahead and agree. There are tons of genres that could make great stepcharts, but the people with the skills to do so avoid them. I remember back in the day people said things like "you can't step rock because of unsteady BPM" then immediately turned around and stepped live piano performances.

But that said, the thing that makes pop music pop is the fact that it's popular. If it's popular music of this sort you're looking at, you're going to have a very hard time getting permission for it, and even if you do, it'd be better to put the few successes in misc or something.

**Patashu** · 06-27-2009, 02:45 AM

what who_cares said you just need to find the right station. I was out driving today and heard all these decently steppable songs in a row so don't hate

**wargasm1** · 06-28-2009, 12:04 AM

Remove hip hop and replace it by pop otherwise i dont want another genre ill just ignore. Besides what would we put in pop lol.

fo3h4mm3r · 06-28-2009, 12:23 AM

I don't think it's because it would make bad stepfiles they are saying no. It's probably because they just don't like pop music.

Anyways, I don't care really so sure +1.

**Bolth mannn** · 06-28-2009, 01:39 AM

lets make an opera genre.

**GG_Guru** · 06-29-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

I'm going to go ahead and agree. There are tons of genres that could make great stepcharts, but the people with the skills to do so avoid them. I remember back in the day people said things like "you can't step rock because of unsteady BPM" then immediately turned around and stepped live piano performances.

But that said, the thing that makes pop music pop is the fact that it's popular. If it's popular music of this sort you're looking at, you're going to have a very hard time getting permission for it, and even if you do, it'd be better to put the few successes in misc or something.

Yeah I remember something like that rock music wasn't accurate enough to be stepped appropriately and required tons of BPM changes which would be an absolute pain in the ass to correctly sync the song without any flaws if you haven't been stepping for very long. Which is mainly one of the reasons why pop would make a good genre for those easy steppers.

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

pop makes good files you guys just cant step

So right....so right...

*clenches fist*
>.<

Quote:

Originally Posted by wargasm1

Remove hip hop and replace it by pop otherwise i dont want another genre ill just ignore. Besides what would we put in pop lol.

Pop music of course. ^.^

and keep Hip Hop.

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Originally Posted by Bolth mannn

lets make an opera genre.

You're kidding..right?

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Originally Posted by hoochan

get rid of all the jpop while youre at it
that **** stanks

I love jpop asian music how can you not like that?

Commandersa1 · 06-29-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wargasm1

Remove hip hop and replace it by pop otherwise i dont want another genre ill just ignore. Besides what would we put in pop lol.

Remove rock also. All of those emo songs are a pain to play.

**dore** · 06-29-2009, 01:47 PM

making sweeping generalizations about entire genres is cool

**GG_Guru** · 06-29-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dore

making sweeping generalizations about entire genres is cool

You're cool.

**dore** · 06-29-2009, 04:34 PM

thanks

'cause like, all rock songs are long and emo so they suck right? and all hip hop and pop is popular so it must be boring, unsteppable and bad, right? and japanese music sucks because ASIA

06-27-2009, 12:34 AM	#1
GG_Guru Let em' do what they want Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,219	Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre So I've been thinking lately...since the former king of pop Michael Jackson recently passed away would it be appropriate to step his music for FFR without requestingthe company's approval? His tragic death has devastated many fans including most of our community and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't include his music in the database, after all he was a great musician... Also, I haven't been too sure about this yet but I was wondering if adding a new "Pop" genre might be possible. This might sound crazy but I'd like to hear your opinions on this. edit: Let the ranting begin. __________________ Last edited by GG_Guru; 06-27-2009 at 12:36 AM..

06-27-2009, 12:36 AM	#2
blazzezezeze Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 10	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre there is a law about this and im not too sure of the details. but i think its something like 50 years after their death it becomes legal or if one of his close relatives allows it (meaning his wife or children, etc). edit: or his record label obviously Last edited by blazzezezeze; 06-27-2009 at 12:40 AM..

06-27-2009, 12:39 AM	#4
AC1speakerbox FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 32 Posts: 1,242	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre (temporary?) MJ song, good. Pop genre is meh though.

06-27-2009, 12:46 AM	#5
i love you Live a wonderful life~ Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,313	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre No, you still have to ask the company because his music are copyright. The default length of copyright is the life of the author plus either 50 or 70 years. __________________ =============================== The idea that RDCP 3 may come out in the future is a fun thought to have~ ===============================

06-27-2009, 12:47 AM	#6
! 7! FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ! 7! Posts: 33	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre well ask the company and if they say no wait 50 years :P ! 7!

06-27-2009, 01:01 AM	#7
GG_Guru Let em' do what they want Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,219	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre Okay, so we already know that stepping his music without consent from the company is out of the question at this time...Now the only mystery remaining is whether or not having a Pop genre in FFR can be debatable. Any thoughts or comments? __________________

06-27-2009, 01:41 AM	#8
Xx{Midnight}xX FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 8,548	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre No. Pop music needs to stay the **** out.

06-27-2009, 01:52 AM	#10
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre pop makes good files you guys just cant step __________________

06-27-2009, 02:45 AM	#12
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 33 Posts: 8,609	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre what who_cares said you just need to find the right station. I was out driving today and heard all these decently steppable songs in a row so don't hate __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

06-28-2009, 12:04 AM	#13
wargasm1 Cowbelling FFR Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 96 Posts: 1,289	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre Remove hip hop and replace it by pop otherwise i dont want another genre ill just ignore. Besides what would we put in pop lol.

06-28-2009, 12:23 AM	#14
fo3h4mm3r FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Colorado Springs,CO,USA Age: 32 Posts: 231	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre I don't think it's because it would make bad stepfiles they are saying no. It's probably because they just don't like pop music. Anyways, I don't care really so sure +1.

06-28-2009, 01:39 AM	#15
Bolth mannn FFR Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 29 Posts: 2,228	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre lets make an opera genre. __________________

06-29-2009, 01:47 PM	#18
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre making sweeping generalizations about entire genres is cool __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

06-29-2009, 04:34 PM	#20
dore caveman pornstar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ridin on a unicorn Age: 33 Posts: 6,317	Re: Clarifying Permission for deceased artists and adding a Pop genre thanks 'cause like, all rock songs are long and emo so they suck right? and all hip hop and pop is popular so it must be boring, unsteppable and bad, right? and japanese music sucks because ASIA __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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