TWG 150: Undertale

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

unless someone claims that they have a gun I think its best for your sanity to assume that there isn't a mouse

yeah i'm rapidly approaching this point since it's the only thing that makes any sense

[TWG Papyrus]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

do you think both teams just have two power roles (godfather/roleblock and cop/???) to balance it out or something else

is that actually balanced? i feel like there could be three PRs here but humans are having a hard enough time with just the one revealed

[TWG Papyrus]

cop+medic+orc wouldn't surprise me whatsoever

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Papyrus

cop+medic+orc wouldn't surprise me whatsoever

agreed that this strikes me as the most likely batch, yeah. that we haven't had any medic saves yet does make me wonder if we have cop/med/orac but then the chances of the wolves and the medic hitting the same target (except for alphys, but they seem to be roleblocking her instead) are fairly slim

[TWG Tsunderplane]

i meant to say cop/med/??? fuck i need sleep

[TWG Mad Dummy]

1.TWG Brazil (Replaced Day 2)
1.TWG Argentina
2.TWG China Lynched Day 1
3.TWG Australia Guessed Incorrectly Day 1
4. TWG Japan (Replaced Day 2)
4.TWG Sweden (Replaced Day 2)
4.TWG Scotland (Mafia)
5.TWG Germany (Godfather)
6.TWG Italy
7.TWG Canada Found Out Day 2
8.TWG India Lynched Day 3
9.TWG Greece (Mafia) Mod-killed Day 1
10.TWG England
11.TWG France (Usurper Mafia) Killed By the Vengeful Nation Night 2
12.TWG Mexico (Vengeful) Lynched Day 2
13.TWG Russia (Replaced Day 2 )
13.TWG Finland
14.TWG United States (Roleblocker)
15.TWG Spain (Cop) Killed Night 1
16.TWG South Korea (Doctor) Found Out Day 1
17.TWG Saudi Arabia Found Out Day 1
18.TWG Israel Killed Night 1
19.TWG Egypt
20.TWG Iran Killed Night 2



1) TWG Bowser Wolf (Shot Day 4)
2) TWG Captain Falcon Town (Lynched Day 1)
3) TWG Charizard Town (Killed Night 6)
4) TWG Fox Wolf (Lynched Day 3)
5) TWG Greninja Oracle (Killed Night 8)
6) TWG Ike Town (Killed Night 4)
7) TWG King Dedede (Killed Night 9)
8) TWG Kirby Cop (Killed Night 7)
9) TWG Link Town (Lost)
10) TWG Little Mac Rolebocker (WON THE GAME)
11)TWG Mario Town (Lynched Day 2)
12) TWG Mega Man Town (Lost)
13) TWG Meta Knight Townie (Lynched Day 7)
14) TWG Peach Gunsmith (Killed Night 3)
15) TWG Pikachu Godfather (Lynched Day 4)
16) TWG Pit Oracle (Lost)
17) TWG Rosalina Town (Killed Night 5)
18) TWG Samus Town (Killed Night 2)
19) TWG Shulk Town (Killed Night 1)
20) TWG Sonic Town (Lynched Day 5)
21) TWG Villager Wolf (WON THE GAME)
22) TWG Wii Fit Trainer Wolf (Modkilled Day 1)
23) TWG Yoshi Town (Killed Day 9)
24) TWG Zelda Town (Lynched Day 6)

1) TWG Bread Lynched Day 1
2) TWG Cheese (Gunsmith) Shot Day 2
3) TWG Milk (Godfather) Modkilled Night 5
4) TWG Apple SURVIVED
5) TWG Chicken (Roleblocker) Lynched Day 5
6) TWG Rice Killed Night 1
7) TWG Corn SURVIVED
8) TWG Cereal Lynched Day 2
9) TWG Steak Killed Night 2
10) TWG Broccoli (Mafia) Lynched Day 4
11) TWG Fish SURVIVED
12) TWG Tomato (Medic, was replaced by Pineapple) Replaced Night 4
13) TWG Lettuce (Oracle) SURVIVED
14) TWG Chocolate (Mafia) Lynched Day 3
15) TWG Pork Killed Night 3
16) TWG Lemon (Cop) SURVIVED
17) TWG Pineapple (Medic) SURVIVED

In the United Nations game, there were 5 mafia total, the roles were a godfather, a roleblocker and an usurper (who could only win if the godfather was dead) for the mafia, a cop, a doctor and a vengeful for town.

In the Villans game, there were 5 mafia, the roles were a godfather and a roleblocker. For town it was a gunsmith, a cop, an oracle and a bomb.

In the Smash game, there were 6 mafia and the roles were a godfather and a roleblocker. For town it was a gunsmith, a cop and two oracles.

In the Supermarket game, there were 4 mafia and the roles were a godfather and a roleblocker. For town it was a gunsmith, a cop, a doctor and an oracle.

I would assume that the wolves don't have any more than a godfather and a roleblocker based on past games, but they might have multiples if there are a lot of town roles or something. I don't think this is likely.

Based on the size of the game, I think its most comparable to the Supermarket game, which had the same number of players. It seems nearly impossible that there's a gunsmith, so I think we can swap that out for another role. I would guess we're looking at something like:

4 mafia (godfather & roleblocker) for mafia, cop, doctor, bomb and oracle for town. Again, this isn't proof or anything, its just comparing this to previous games.

[TWG Mad Dummy]

FUCK THE IMAGE DOESN'T WORK.

I can't quote the image for the role reveal from the Villains Game, but I didn't make any mistakes in the lower part of my previous post, so we're ok.

[TWG Papyrus]

well every additional PR just makes the humans look more like shit so that's cool

[TWG Undyne]

[twgv]Muffet [/twg]

My current top suspect. Will go more into it soon.

[TWG Undyne]

Muffet

[TWG Flowey]

If you're gonna kill top town, why didn't they kill mad dummy

[TWG Flowey]

Like sure obvious answer of "they don't think he's top town" exists, and to that I actually question their intelligence

but you know, sure "he's scum" can be true but like

I dunno I doubt THAT

[TWG Undyne]

16)TWG Undyne
1) TWG Alphys
15) TWG Tsunderplane

5) TWG Mad Dummy
4) TWG Flowey

10) TWG Papyrus
9) TWG Napstablook

13) TWG Temmie
8) TWG Muffet

Where I'm at.

[TWG Undyne]

Flowey worried me a little with that paranoia about Sans. Mad Dummy had me worried with how well he recieved Sans's reads.

Papyrus worries me a lot because he's put very little effort into the game, and seemed especially indifferent about the game state during D2, during which we had two staggering wagons up on humans. My gut wants to say bored green but something about the difference in tone between D1 and D2 has me wondering about Papyrus.

Napsta has not really had any strong opinions about anything this entire game, and mostly just looks to what others want to do for his direction. His hesitance about lynching Sans all the way to the end of the phase looked odd to me.

Temmie and Muffet remain top suspects to me though.

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Undyne

Napsta has not really had any strong opinions about anything this entire game, and mostly just looks to what others want to do for his direction. His hesitance about lynching Sans all the way to the end of the phase looked odd to me.

I'll give you everything up until hesitant to lynch Sans. It was more of he's 100% dead today anyway so we might as well get whatever information we can out of the day. There was never a general consensus to insta (I even asked and got like one response from you I think) which I why I never ended up voting him. You make it sound as if I was actively trying to defend him or put up other wagons..

[TWG Undyne]

Originally Posted by TWG Napstablook

You make it sound as if I was actively trying to defend him or put up other wagons..

?

Originally Posted by TWG Undyne

Napsta has not really had any strong opinions about anything this entire game

No... quite the opposite, actually. If anything, I made it sound like you haven't been doing that with anybody.

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Flowey

Like sure obvious answer of "they don't think he's top town" exists, and to that I actually question their intelligence

but you know, sure "he's scum" can be true but like

I dunno I doubt THAT

Leads me to think the humans might be getting bomb/oracle vibes from somebody? Idk just spitballing

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Undyne

?



No... quite the opposite, actually. If anything, I made it sound like you haven't been doing that with anybody.

So I'm hesitant to lynch because I didn't immediately toss out a vote? :eyeroll:
Wouldn't it make entirely more sense as a human to jump on the wagon and not make waves?
I think we got some good information to work with today out of that phase playing out as long as it did.

[TWG Flowey]

Originally Posted by TWG Undyne

Flowey worried me a little with that paranoia about Sans.

You know, I expected to get laid into immediately for it.

Originally Posted by TWG Napstablook

Leads me to think the humans might be getting bomb/oracle vibes from somebody? Idk just spitballing

Now that I look back and see Sans' flip, I'm more to lean they suspect a bomb somewhere, and were trying to get that person to hint at it as a way of trying to dodge that bullet. They can at least make a play off Sans getting checked.

That said, you know the first two kills make sense as they give no information and what not, but I'm still not convinced that there's a reason to read dummy as anything other than just strong town who wants to win. So why not just kill him? Did Mettaton hint a false role by chance? Did I miss that?

[TWG Undyne]

I think Mettaton was reading purer than Mad Dummy. I was townreading both of them, but as you say, Mad Dummy clearly wants to win and is very pro-town, but that doesn't necessarily put them outside of the realm of consideration.