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View Poll Results: What scoring should we use ? | |||
Combo scoring | 15 | 18.75% | |
Raw scoring | 65 | 81.25% | |
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09-14-2012, 03:47 AM | #21 |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
Big surprise... wipe the accounts that haven't been used in over 6/7 years...
edit: I'm sure there are other things taking up more space that we don't really need, too
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09-14-2012, 04:06 AM | #22 |
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There are a lot of sites that move inactive data to a separate storage location that can possibly be restored if the person ever came back.
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09-14-2012, 11:54 AM | #24 | |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
I like combo scoring because it takes into account every aspect of the game.
That said, it is very frustrating to get hundreds more perfects and still get a lower score due to an unfortunately located miss. Generally, if anything I think the combo scoring is not weighted properly and boos should have a higher impact to discourage button mashing just for FCs.
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09-14-2012, 01:03 PM | #25 | |
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09-14-2012, 03:24 PM | #26 |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
I like it just the way it is.
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09-14-2012, 04:16 PM | #27 | |
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09-14-2012, 04:52 PM | #28 | |
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09-14-2012, 05:02 PM | #29 |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
As long as I still have a FC bar to fill up, makes no difference to me.
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10-23-2012, 07:23 AM | #30 |
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I'm no expert, but raw scoring all the way.
Combo scoring just encourages mashing FMO/FGO songs for highscores and a player who got 99% perfects and one miss tends to get a lower score than one who mashed his way through it and didn't miss. |
10-23-2012, 07:32 AM | #31 |
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10-23-2012, 11:57 AM | #32 | |
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before I got my account wiped, I had something like 30-0-1-2 on a 90+ the guy that was 1 rank above me had something like 120-2-0-36 that happened because I missed a note near the middle of the chart so no, combo scoring takes only one thing into account max combo
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10-23-2012, 12:32 PM | #33 |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
I like combo scoring for the exact reason that people hate it. Most of the top players who gets amazing scores with 1 miss can FC too if they try. I like the idea of needing to avoid at all cost the miss just as much as people wants to avoid any kind of flag for their AAA. It's like a lower version of pressure for players. I think the idea of boos and combo scoring was used as a mean to make weaker players keep trying on songs and come back later to fix their mashed parts. Raw scoring would be like missing at spots on purpose/or not to optimize pa in general. It's just avoiding the problem in a different way imo. If I wanted to play consistently without worrying about misses I'll play stepmania or play FFR and ignore ranks. Maybe I'm just getting old and everyone else just want their stepmania on flash while feeling good about their 0-0-2-0 on some hard song. It just feels wrong to me to miss on a rhythm game without suffering a serious penalty when the goal is to actually be on-beat. I know some people just brute mash their way, but they will also want to optimize their scores in the future and will need to play correctly too. It's just making the gap between top players and mid players even bigger like it wasn't big enough already.
I think raw scoring should only apply on Tier Points because it's the closest thing to evaluate a measure of skills which is probably what everyone good wants to have to work on without worrying about misses. Doing this while keeping normal ranks the same way would create some kind of hybrid system where everyone is happy or almost happy at least. I don't see a reason to make such a radical change on the game design and it's even easier to implement. Last edited by Hakulyte; 10-23-2012 at 12:59 PM.. |
10-23-2012, 02:15 PM | #34 |
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The thing about raw scoring though is although it doesn't penalize you as much as combo scoring for misses, it still penalizes you for misses, the equivalent of 2.4 goods to be precise. Because of this, whenever one is playing a song, it is always in their best interest to try to hit every single note regardless since a good is better than a miss in both scoring systems. The thing I don't like about combo scoring, is it's like playing every single song on sudden death; the instant you get a miss it's like, "well ****, it's impossible for me to beat my old score now *quits out*" Raw scoring encourages people to finish songs and to not be put under the pressure of instantly "losing" if they get a miss.
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10-23-2012, 04:28 PM | #35 | ||
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You are right, it is a rhythm game, so why should we disregard scores that are playing the file accurately, but then praise scores that pay no mind to the structure of the file at all? They are called leader-boards for a reason, so you can see where you stand among the best players on various files. If you can't play a file nearly as well as someone else, then why should you be given a much lower rank? I do not approve of Mash Mash Revolution being the way we approach ANY sort of system involving ranking or skill, because all it really shows is how high your combo is. Any derp can FC a file by mashing their brains out, but how does that really prove they are a good player? Accuracy is what rhythm games are all about, so why should we score the skills of others by a completely irrelevant aspect of the game? Combo scoring can stay for GTS, but it has no place on leader-boards, tier points, and especially not in official tournaments.
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10-23-2012, 06:58 PM | #36 |
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umm, yes it will
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10-23-2012, 07:16 PM | #37 |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
This debate is still going on...
It is obvious what should be done.
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10-23-2012, 07:21 PM | #38 |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
It's obvious what should be done, but it isn't so obvious as to when we'd get the capacity to make those changes.
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10-23-2012, 07:57 PM | #39 |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
Probably never since FFR is so fucced up.
But what do I know? I'm no staff.
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10-23-2012, 08:08 PM | #40 |
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Re: Combo or raw scoring?
When it boils down to upgrading HDD space and RAM, it's all up to Synth. I can only do so much.
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