orlando shooting

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50 people dead at a gay nightclub

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...club/85785254/

[Arntonach]

By ISIS no less. Welp, guess all gay bars are now closed. :/

[choof]

Originally Posted by Arntonach

By ISIS no less. Welp, guess all gay bars are now closed. :/

dude said it was for isis but they haven't claimed the attack
bunch of dudes on pro-radical islam forums are saying it was a good thing though

[MooMoo_Cowfreak]

Very sad to see violence continue to escalate in this way. Can't believe this is the most violent shooting in US history.

[flashpantss]

Yeah, it sucks. Happened really close to me. Still have an acquaintance who is still unaccounted for.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by flashpantss

Yeah, it sucks. Happened really close to me. Still have an acquaintance who is still unaccounted for.

Hope everything turns out ok and you can get ahold of your buddy.

[botchi246]

Dang only an hour and a half from me. Too close to home

[Izzy]

This is why crowded events make me uncomfortable.

[kommisar]

it's really fucked up and I haven't heard back from friends I have in Orlando

actually feel sick


like we go to gay clubs in halifax all the time. imagine if someone were to just show up and shoot up the whole place just because they feel strongly against homosexuals.

[25thhour]

Being a homosexual, this has been a fear of mine. I still get harassed constantly on the street even in Vancouver... All it takes in a fraction of a second and you can ruin the lives of millions...

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Originally Posted by 25thhour

Being a homosexual, this has been a fear of mine. I still get harassed constantly on the street even in Vancouver... All it takes in a fraction of a second and you can ruin the lives of millions...

nearly 50 years of gay rights in the making and "stay alive" is still on the agenda
sad as fuck

[feelingzwontfade]

This sort of thing really does ruin your day when you were literally at a gay club a week ago.

[Rapta]

wow

[Red Blaster]

Apparently they busted some other fuckass in Los Angeles who was planning the same thing.

http://www.dw.com/en/heavily-armed-m...ade/a-19325454

[Frank Munoz]

The possibility of tragedies like this happening run through my mind everyday.
Knowing that we must be cautious of the same acts of violence and hatred present centuries ago..
It shows we have not actually progressed towards peace in a long time, and that some people appear to not want to advance at all.

I say this to all my friends, family, strangers and all;
"Be safe".

[hi19hi19]

I find it highly amusing that the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control and that it's apparently all white people's fault.
Holy shit get it together liberal media, this is the kind of jumping to conclusions that makes people vote for Trump.

That said, my heart goes out to those affected.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I find it highly amusing that the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control and that it's apparently all white people's fault.
Holy shit get it together liberal media, this is the kind of jumping to conclusions that makes people vote for Trump.

I've seen a lot of completely idiotic news articles and facebook posts over this event. Sadly some people want to use it as an example to champion some sort of social justice cause, rather than acknowledge the act of terrorism that it is.

RIP gay brothers and sisters.

[Frank Munoz]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I find it highly amusing that the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control and that it's apparently all white people's fault.
Holy shit get it together liberal media, this is the kind of jumping to conclusions that makes people vote for Trump.

That said, my heart goes out to those affected.

I personally wouldn't blame people for considering "gun control",
being that it's the largest mass murder in the history of the usa committed with firearms.
whether it's the right thing to consider or not, people are desperate to end this stuff, especially when mourning.

The reason I mention this is because the context of your claim "...the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control..."
makes it seem like those who considered it are wrong to do so.
Makes you seem inconsiderate, but maybe that's your thing iono.


"Holy shit get it together liberal media, this is the kind of jumping to conclusions that makes people vote for Trump."
Totally agree, conclusions like these are absolutely the reason why trump has made his way this far into his campaign(or anyone for that matter)
though this "conclusion" the liberal media has made isn't factual.

As much as the title of the article suggests
NBC ‘Law Enforcement Expert’
Blamed Orlando Terror Shooting
on Anti-Gay ‘White Hate Groups’
it's uh, not correct.
more of another click-bait article with skewed information(who woulda guessed it).

The law expert lists possible reasons and backgrounds the murderer may have had to commit this attack.
He mentions the group which expresses the most hatred towards the lgbt community(White Christian Males) then continues to discuss other possible backgrounds.
This one mention of "white" is where I believe the article is over-blowing quite a bit to support their own views.
Or to gain views,
bait people, ya know the good stuff

I suggest watchin the vid yourselves rather than trust my quotes.

the part where he mentions "white hate movements"
"there's alota domestic terrorist we classify that do that, they're rooted in white hate movements, and so it could be that"
he then continues with
"the fbi has also said they haven't ruled out internationally inspired when asked by reporters" as well.
then says, something along the lines of
so who really knows, and it's unclear because they don't know yet.
Now, to me that isn't a direct call out. Seems reasonable to mention such information but i guess it's up to interpretation since there's an article about this.
again, I suggest reading and watching the video yourself if you haven't since text based quotes can't really be trusted.

it looks like the article itself is attempting to sway others into thinking that the law expert directly blamed white people. Which, he didn't do, but whoever typed that page up keeps insisting on overstating the expert's words.
it also quotes obama's speeches from 2015 about islam, which honestly looks like an attempt to oppose obama.
not that it's bad to oppose him. just unnecessary regarding what the original purpose of the article was; the law expert seeming to blame white people for the shooting.
Things like
"Cavanaugh was clearly attempting to dissuade MSNBC viewers from assuming Islamic terror was a motivation of the Orlando shooter."
weren't actually clear at all, an example of skewing.
It's another highly opinionated page, trying to say that "x media" is highly opinionated and wrong, so follow our ideals.

The reason I say all this is because
you callin out people who be jumping to wild conclusions, but you are guilty of that as well from my perspective.

iono if you just some kinda hypocrite though so my bad if that's your thing
or if you believe that Cavanaugh blamed all white people for the shooting, my bad again if so. We would just have some very distant viewpoints if so.

I personally prefer hypocrisy to kinda just not exist anymore,
but maybe i'm just some asshole who thinks he's right and tries to push his own views on someone else.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by Frank Munoz

I personally wouldn't blame people for considering "gun control",
being that it's the largest mass murder in the history of the usa committed with firearms.
whether it's the right thing to consider or not, people are desperate to end this stuff, especially when mourning.

The reason I mention this is because the context of your claim "...the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control..."
makes it seem like those who considered it are wrong to do so.
Makes you seem inconsiderate, but maybe that's your thing iono.

This feels to me like it's a "gun control issue" in the same way 9/11 was an "airplane issue" or the Boston bombing was a "pressure cooker issue"

These things are always way more complicated than they seem - already we know (or, rather, many news sources are rather confidently reporting) that the shooter was male, Muslim, a registered Democrat, a legal gun owner... that's already a lot of very politically charged aspects of one person's identity that could be part of the issue. It's totally possible that altering gun laws are a way to prevent tragedies like this in the future. But it was less than a day after the event and people were already clamoring about "omg guns kill gay people!" and that prompted the standard response from the other side "omg ther taken er guns!!!" and its like, calm the fuck down America. We don't know shit about what happened yet. For the narrative I'm seeing from major news stations to already be so completely about this one aspect of the issue is laughable.

Also you realize if a law expert went on air and said "oh hey, Muslims bomb things, and yeah some of 'em really hate gays, so it could be that" that person would so incredibly instantly be out of a job and probably lynched IRL, but saying the same thing -incorrectly, I might add- about white people seems to be a totally okay and routine part of a TV appearance? I'm not objecting to experts considering that a white person might be behind the crime, I'm objecting to the hilarious double standards where it's acceptable to randomly point fingers at white people when anyone else would be a taboo target (and, for the record, publicly pointing fingers like that without really knowing much should be a taboo, white people included). It makes me mad because it's racist and nobody seems to have the balls to call it that, and people do it all the time and I know that's why we're going to be stuck with 4 years of goddamn President Trump

:/

[Frank Munoz]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

This feels to me like it's a "gun control issue" in the same way 9/11 was an "airplane issue" or the Boston bombing was a "pressure cooker issue"... ect.

when's the last time you heard of someone, once again, takes control of another airplane and crashes it into a structure because it was so easy to access it in the usa?
or
"another day
another pressure cooker issue"
the context of 9/11 and the boston bombing are severely different than the Orlando shooting.
Though, all are tragic, the amount of recorded shootings this year alone is alarming; as with every year, compared to plane hijacks/suicides.

There aren't numerous mass murders caused by airplanes, or pressure cookers as they are, again, very rare.
You know that
these are not common threats
these are not contributing to repeating acts of violence
these are not weapons made solely to harm others

a person unloading a clip into another person
whether it be for violence, or for justice
is undoubtedly the highest beneficiary to all of what's listed above.
Which is why I believe people are suggesting more gun control, as firearms do not have a friendly history.


Also the religion talk
reach says
"to ignore Islam is a grave error",
exactly. just as
"to ignore gun control is a grave error"
"to ignore extremist is a grave error"
"to ignore ect. ..."

Our lenience is clearly present, but i believe all of us fundamentally consider the same things, just with a skew that overshadows the rest.


edit: rojaf those pie charts are more than a decade old, not saying they're inaccurate, but what's the purpose? Wouldn't a recent calculation be more beneficial?