05-15-2019, 11:17 PM | #121 |
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Fuck Georgia one more time
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05-15-2019, 11:28 PM | #122 |
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y'allqaeda continuing its war on women
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05-15-2019, 11:57 PM | #123 |
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I really feel like I have to say the people in the pro-life movement
the vast majority of them really do just feel like they're protecting the life of the unprotected not that they're trying to subjugate women
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05-16-2019, 04:50 PM | #124 |
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Once more, now that the bill has been signed.
Fuck. Alabama. |
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As some examples, Gov. Ivey's tweet states, "To the bill’s many supporters, this legislation stands as a powerful testament to Alabamians’ deeply held belief that every life is precious & that every life is a sacred gift from God." My state's governor, Kim Reynolds, issued a similar statement in her signing of a ban in our state: "I believe that all innocent life is precious and sacred..." It still controls women's sexuality and how often they can have sex (if at all). Many states with these restrictive laws lack proper sex education and access to contraceptives like birth control pills. In fact, Iowa (who passed a 6-week ban but was later struck down) is one such state that suffers from a lack of access to contraceptives. There was a startup here literally a few days ago that does remote conferencing over phone and Internet with women trying to get a prescription for birth control. 170,000 women in Iowa are in contraceptive deserts, which means they are more than 50 miles away from a place that can sell them. The startup will send them via mail. Looking at the other states with such restrictions, there's no push or mention of contraceptives at all or safe sex. If it was about preventing pregnancy, there would be a bigger push to get this information out. However, it stems from religious fundamentalism which forbids such contraceptives but also premarital sex in general. Women always lose here. Men have what to worry about, exactly? Assuming they're not emotionally attached to the mother/child, at worst, child support? MAYBE guilt if the mother dies giving birth? Men have little stake in this. If a woman gets pregnant, she has nothing else to do but accept the fact the baby is coming out of her legs no matter how unprepared she is economically or emotionally. |
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It's one thing to be aware of the current situation and discuss it, although we can also help take matters into our own hands. Putting out ideas, having healthy non-judgmental discussions, finding organizations to donate to, vote... as individuals, we can still play our part even if we're not lawmakers.
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05-16-2019, 07:52 PM | #128 |
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I think people just think that anyone (not just women) shouldn't have sex indiscriminately
I don't agree with that its just like I don't think that its "a desire to subjugate women" that really constitutes the majority of the pro-life movement
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While I don't necessarily agree with the pro-life view, I can see what their perspective is. They assign the same value to an embryo/fetus to a born person. However, in practice, what ends up happening is a sharp contradiction. A lot of it has to do with a perversion of the scope of the discussion. Some, but not all pro-life people, will just say something like "Abortion is murder and immoral, full stop" -- and then say there is nothing to discuss. At that point, there isn't even any discussion about the potential effects of the action (fighting to make abortion illegal). It's regarded as not relevant. I've talked to some pro-life friends who agree that the current abortion debate is ridiculous. One of them even told me that he's noticed the lack of concern after birth in the pro-life movement. There is a spectrum of pro-life, and the more extreme end is reflected in the lawmakers that are passing this legislation. It is so extreme that it is no longer just about making abortion illegal, but also extra punishments (in this case, investigating miscarriages and potentially banning contraceptives).
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05-16-2019, 07:59 PM | #130 |
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talking about abortion as men controlling women's bodies is a clever political tactic but it's honestly not true. this doesn't take away from the fact that illegalizing abortion takes control away from women. this is about education, religion, and class a lot more. |
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For me I would've wanted a third option about Mixed/Other. I think the labels should go away altogether. |
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05-16-2019, 09:00 PM | #133 |
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i think the labels either changing or going away would help clarify that question and also help about 44% of the population quit lying
the given question is "With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be 'pro-choice' or 'pro-life'?" also says "no opinion" includes mixed/other but it might help to have an explicit option Last edited by inDheart; 05-16-2019 at 09:03 PM.. |
05-16-2019, 09:51 PM | #134 | |
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This is what gives lie to the "protecting life" idea. In -no state at all- is support for "banning abortion" even at 25%. it is NOWHERE NEAR a majority view ANYWHERE. And yet the people pushing the narrative of "We're just protecting innocent human life" are the same people locking children in cages (Another one died in government custody just the other day), bombing innocent children in foreign countries, refusing to take even a single step to safeguard schoolchildren from mass shooting after mass shooting. They cannot, with anything even vaguely approaching a straight face suggest they actually care about -life- They care about preventing a class of people from exercising control over their own bodies. Like sure, you've got funnygirl's poll showing breakdown of people who said "Yes I'm pro life" when asked if they were pro life, but if you actually look at who wants to actually create anti-abortion laws, it's almost nobody. Last edited by devonin; 05-16-2019 at 09:53 PM.. |
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I am not disputing that they don't care about life after its born, at least in the sense that you mean it, but I just cannot be convinced that a large majority of people believe in the subjugation of women being achieved from barring women from achieving legal abortions. It makes absolutely no sense to me. The part about preventing a class of people from controlling their bodies is the thing where I think we come pretty close to saying the same thing here; its not about "subjugating women" for so many people, its about "protecting the most vulnerable" or what have you. EDIT: Honestly, this is part of why we're so divided right now imo. We're staring at the other side calling each other baby-murderers and sexists when I don't think that's either motivation here, at least not for the vast majority. Again, I agree with people here. I think that its ridiculously hypocritical that many people in the pro-life movement are not the same people taking up causes for protecting life after it has been born, but are the ones doing so before. I just think that we're staring at the other side with the wrong idea.
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Some scholars take the stance that this passage was not originally from Paul the Apostle and was later added. I agree with their analysis. Regardless, there is a long lineage of subjugation of women stemming from the word of God as written here. You seem to have an extremely naive understanding of evangelical Christianity. I would recommend educating yourself before giving them the benefit of the principle of charity.
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Secondly, my focus is not on evangelical Christianity. Its on the reasoning people give for their beliefs. But to mention this route, I think yes, there is a link between the reasons why people oppose abortion and their faith. I think that they don't justify their reasoning with whatever bible verse(s) mention(s) the subjugation of women to men. They just believe that abortion is equivalent to murder. I know of the verses you quoted; I had a long discussion with someone in high school whose church didn't allow women to speak (though I must admit that I am fuzzy on the details). I also don't think I'm being charitable to anyone; I think, honestly, that there's too many people blinded by their own beliefs to see the other side clearly. On both sides.
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another poll from the same site once again, men and women want this in equal amounts. it's a women's issue but not a men's vs women's issue. thanks for ya time sunfan's also dead on. edit: this sounded snippy so i also wanted to add that i agree with the criticism of the polls i linked the first time. but im not backing down on my claim
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wft is this, uh this is a forum for a rhythm flash game. That being said I am extremely surprised that admins don't censor or ban controversial forum posts. I am actually quite supportive of that.
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