Why Mainstream Sucks

[UserNameGoesHere]

Originally Posted by Pseudo Enigma

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/wingboner-clopping

your turn

You'll have that with any fandom though. A good amount of fans aren't into that aspect at all. I mean just because you're a Star Wars fan (as an example -- don't know if you are or not -- if not substitute any other fandom) does that mean you jerk it to pictures of sexy chewbacca?

Obviously I can't speak for everyone, and obviously there will always be some people who take things too far, and yes those people tend to get more attention -- people who legally change their names to character names, or people who "fall in love" with the characters/etc... But I guarantee you most of the rest of the fandom (any fandom) doesn't want to have anything to do with those people anyway.

[Charu]

This is the mindset of any fandom ever.

It's the biggest dilemma.

Let's all just agree that all fandoms have "serious" deviations to them.

[Pseudo Enigma]

Originally Posted by UserNameGoesHere

Obviously I can't speak for everyone, and obviously there will always be some people who take things too far, and yes those people tend to get more attention -- people who legally change their names to character names, or people who "fall in love" with the characters/etc... But I guarantee you most of the rest of the fandom (any fandom) doesn't want to have anything to do with those people anyway.

yeah but you can't deny it's there. If you want I can take pictures of bronies in my city walking around in broad daylight with pony shirts. It's not uncommon. It's also trending, and from what I've heard it's in the news too. Therefore, it's quite mainstream. There's no arguing about it, so you might want to just accept the fact, sip some tea, and get back to what you were doing.



edit: porn isn't a bad thing in fandoms. The people who are obvious about it are. Porn is big everywhere, it's just hush-hush since it's not socially acceptable.

[UserNameGoesHere]

I don't deny that it's there though.

And yes, any fandom does have some serious deviants.

And depending on what you want to consider, it may be mainstream. I just don't consider it to be so. But that could change at any time. Again, there's some subjectivity.

[Reincarnate]

everyone:

[ilikexd]

I'd say MLP fandom is pretty mainstream. I've seen several people at my school wearing those shirts.

Originally Posted by UserNameGoesHere

mainstream sucks. Mainstream what? - you might ask. Mainstream anything. It doesn't matter what.

So it sucks. (I could be wrong about this either in misunderstanding what you meant or that MLP truly is "mainstream".)

Originally Posted by UserNameGoesHere

Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous? Of course it is! That's what makes it so hilarious -- if you had a sense of humor, that is.

So you're into it because you know it's ridiculous?

If it's ridiculous, and you say it's ridiculous, you should have no problems with being ridiculed.

After all, it would be part of the hilarity.

[04im]

too bad the real problem is that mlp deviants are more vocal & visual about their show and is frowned upon by the majority of normal people

of course this is also subjectivity but the majority have this subjective view that age20+ peeps should not be watching mlp and having pony avatars while wearing fedoras

subjectivity ho

(i dont know a single brony in real life because when i see one i avoid them but Here Is Where I Hold A Conversation With One If Possible)

[swordmasterz]

why so ad hominem

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$0.02:

"mainstream" is a matter of scope. There can be quite a few levels of hipster-dom, especially when it comes to stuff like music. It is also very region specific.

ex. Family Guy is pretty mainstream in the U.S. In China? I doubt it.

ex. Say someone likes One Direction. That's pretty mainstream I guess right?
Now let's say someone likes Nujabes. While not THAT people have heard about him, it's a pretty well known and respected artist in the hiphop genre.
Then consider someone like Hidetake Takayama. Who?

In MLP's case, I'd say that it is fairly well known (especially us internet folk), but whether or not it is well liked is a different story. People also seem to forget that MLP is a cartoon with a major targeted audience being children, who care considerably less about stuff being "mainstream". The fact that it's on CN doesn't mean that much, but once McDonalds starts making MLP toys with their kids meals, I'd say you're PROBABLY there.

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Can someone lock this thread it's pretty derailed

[Pseudo Enigma]

everything sucks. The end. Thread is getting really repetitive.

edit: in reply to the above, you guys realize this show didn't just start a few years ago right? It's been popular with little girls for yearrrrssssssss. My little sister played with them growing up. It's beyond mainstream. I don't understand how you guys can argue it's not mainstream.

[UserNameGoesHere]

ilikexd, it's not like I go around throwing ponies at people or talking about ponies 24/7 IRL. I can't even remember the last time I talked about it IRL and I don't even talk about it online much. You'll notice others generally started the discussion about it.

And yeah some things are meant to be ridiculous. The pony typing at a computer? The fact it says "User Name" on his butt? I find it to be funny anyway.

And I'll agree it is too bad there is the deviant aspect, but again that's with any fandom.

[Charu]

I just realized something... How the fuck did MLP get involved in this? Oh well, it's kind of relevant I suppose because of the mainstream debate going on.

[Pseudo Enigma]

Originally Posted by Charu

I just realized something... How the fuck did MLP get involved in this?

it started because of the avatar of this annoyingly mainstream show.

Thread is finished if we're talking about shit like this. As always MLP derails FFR threads.

[UserNameGoesHere]

Originally Posted by Charu

I just realized something... How the fuck did MLP get involved in this? Oh well, it's kind of relevant I suppose because of the mainstream debate going on.

Because there's apparently a sizeable portion of anti-MLP posters who nevertheless see the need to turn lots of threads into MLP discussion. It's quite ironic.

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by Charu

I just realized something... How the fuck did MLP get involved in this? Oh well, it's kind of relevant I suppose because of the mainstream debate going on.

someone a few pages back tried to throw both a red herring and a possibly a subtle ad hominem.

EDIT: hating on mlp is the new mainstream peoplez

[UserNameGoesHere]

I'd be in favor of handing out bans for derailing threads into MLP discussion.

If it's not an MLP thread, don't derail it into one.

It's especially ironic as it tends to be the people who most "hate" MLP who just can't seem to stop talking about it.

[ssbmchamp]

Originally Posted by UserNameGoesHere

I have come to the conclusion that mainstream sucks. Mainstream what? - you might ask. Mainstream anything. It doesn't matter what.

The problem with the mainstream is it tries to cater to everyone and in the process so caters to no one in particular -- at least no one interesting. So you're almost guaranteed mediocrity, with rare exceptions. Further, to find anything outside the mainstream wants/needs, you have to go out of your way - sometimes way out of your way.

So, I don't really have a problem with liking things which are mainstream or popular. Just don't like something because it is mainstream or popular. If you like something and that thing just so happens to be mainstream/popular, that's cool. If you like something because it is mainstream/popular, that's not. Make sense?

Also there tends to be the argument made that people who shun the mainstream are just trying to be "different" and thus all end up being "the same" as the others in their groups. For anyone who might make that argument, have you considered that their goal might not be to "be different" and that they may actually enjoy those things and enjoy being around other people who enjoy the same things they do?

I say enjoy/do what you like. If you like something and it happens to be mainstream -- cool. If you like something and it's not popular in the mainstream -- cool. But just like what you like. Don't let other people determine what you like and especially don't let corporate marketing drones determine it.

This thread is, for a lack of a better word, pointless for a couple reasons:

you say "all mainstream sucks"...well maybe you personally dislike it but the reason something is mainstream is because the majority of the population enjoys it.

then you say "enjoy/do what you like" right after you mention that "no one should ever like something just because it's mainstream" and that "you shouldn't let people determine what you like"...........right here you're telling people how they should go about their lives when it comes to liking things, completely going against your own argument.

I just don't see a point with this thread.

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by ssbmchamp

This thread is, for a lack of a better word, pointless for a couple reasons:

you say "all mainstream sucks"...well maybe you personally dislike it but the reason something is mainstream is because the majority of the population enjoys it.

then you say "enjoy/do what you like" right after you mention that "no one should ever like something just because it's mainstream" and that "you shouldn't let people determine what you like"...........right here you're telling people how they should go about their lives when it comes to liking things, completely going against your own argument.

I just don't see a point with this thread.

if you go back and read through the thread, he clarifies by saying that the "mainstream process" is something that sucks but the actual products that come out of such a process isn't necessarily bad.

[Trogdor!!!!]

I'm honestly confused as to why this thread was even entertained with anything relative to serious in the first place.

[ssbmchamp]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

if you go back and read through the thread, he clarifies by saying that the "mainstream process" is something that sucks but the actual products that come out of such a process isn't necessarily bad.

I wasn't about to waste time and go through 90+ posts on an already dumb topic. I read the OP which describes why he made the thread, and if he left something out or wanted to change his views based on responses generated from the OP that's not my problem. Even if that's what he changed it too I still think it's a pretty pointless argument.

[Claire Diviner]

I agree with the OP for the most part. The slight exception is that if someone likes something because it's mainstream, then that's their prerogative; I won't judge them, but I won't share their interest/enthusiasm either.