Amateur Tier Points - Page 5

**lightdarkness** · 08-1-2007, 07:47 PM

Someone make ATP list, and I'll impliment it.

**Tasselfoot** · 08-1-2007, 07:55 PM

if you're actually going to do that LD, best to let the "pros" handle making the list.

aka: rebirth, jx, summerschool.

also... how do we plan on removing all the tier rank worthy people from the ATP list? clearly most will have full or almost full ATP points, thereby not allowing the newer players access to the ranking, which is the whole point.

perhaps have a cut off? if you have over a certain number of points, you no longer qualify for ATP and have to deal solely with TP.

**Zageron** · 08-1-2007, 07:57 PM

Yes. But if you implement ATP points from Stuff like free space. EVERYONE will have at least 1 ATP point. Which kind of destroys the purpose of "I want to get on the ATP list!" And they should not be combined whatsoever. If you reach 80% of the ATP list you should just get automatically deleted. And put onto the TP list.

GamerShadow · 08-1-2007, 08:14 PM

Hence, the 4-8 diffuculty req's only. I posted that in my list before.

For example:

Take Me Back
(6) AAA
(5) 3 or less
(4) SDG
(3) 15 or less
(2) 25 or less
(1) Full Combo

Roy Campbell · 08-1-2007, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

if you're actually going to do that LD, best to let the "pros" handle making the list.

aka: rebirth, jx, summerschool.

also... how do we plan on removing all the tier rank worthy people from the ATP list? clearly most will have full or almost full ATP points, thereby not allowing the newer players access to the ranking, which is the whole point.

perhaps have a cut off? if you have over a certain number of points, you no longer qualify for ATP and have to deal solely with TP.

The person at the top of the ATP list would be the guy who has gotten the most ATPs without making the TP list, and if TP requirements were made into high point ATP requirements then it could probably represent the best ATP player well without the top ATP players being too close in points. Perhaps the cut-off could be lower than 160 tier points, but that's probably where it should be as this could be a good way of showing who is close to making tier 4.

**lightdarkness** · 08-1-2007, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

if you're actually going to do that LD, best to let the "pros" handle making the list.

aka: rebirth, jx, summerschool.

Be my guest, I'm just the code guy

.david · 08-1-2007, 08:45 PM

Sounds awesome, this is going to be my favourite feature of the site if it works out.

**Shashakiro** · 08-1-2007, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zageron

Which kind of destroys the purpose of "I want to get on the ATP list!"

Uh, that's the point, basically anyone should be able to get ATP points.

Quote:

And they should not be combined whatsoever. If you reach 80% of the ATP list you should just get automatically deleted. And put onto the TP list.

Yes.

And I like the idea of an inactivity clear on the ATP list. Helps ward off multis.

**devonin** · 08-1-2007, 10:10 PM

Make the maximum number (or some very large number) of ATPs be worth 1 TP.

"Mastered the ATP system = 1 TP and removal from the ATP system"

Also, it would be interesting if there could be a formal tier option in profiles. If you could set, like regions, your skill level from beginner up to guru and master, and then it would be easy to see who should and shouldn't qualify for tourneys, point systems, etc. You could put a minimum account age/games played on being able to set your skill tier to ward off people making beginner multis to wreck tourneys (Though I mean, they already can, so even a not very effective stopper is better than nothing)

jugglinguy · 08-1-2007, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonin

Make the maximum number (or some very large number) of ATPs be worth 1 TP.

"Mastered the ATP system = 1 TP and removal from the ATP system"

Absolutely no.

**Adamaja456** · 08-1-2007, 11:44 PM

Please don't implement anything where x number of ATPs gets you 1 TP

horrible idea IMO

**Zageron** · 08-1-2007, 11:52 PM

I like the Idea of it going into the profiles tho.

_pandaman_ · 08-2-2007, 12:49 AM

I still can't believe this is actually going through.

How many tier points cancels out the ATP then, so I can figure out If I need to do this to get past it (hopefully).

jellygod · 08-2-2007, 12:52 AM

yea at first i wanted it but not this seems retarded i can't believe they are actually going to do it though.

**devonin** · 08-2-2007, 01:02 AM

Why is it "retarded" to scale a system for measuring accomplishments down further so that more people have a visible means of tracking progress than one or two averaged numbers?

BuRdInE · 08-2-2007, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boatz

Its a great system, the tier point system. Truly. But if only a handful of people can handle them, then its hardly fun for use common sub 5,000 rank peasants.

So, I think a good thing would to be introduce a whole new set of requirements for the easy songs and have an Amateur points system. Or at least be allowed to get Tier Points on this system from easier songs.

Any takers?

Yes, and No.
I like this idea because it gives some of the newer players something to achieve but I don't like this idea as well, because it somewhat removes the need to get better at the game. It would infact single out the good players from the bad though. Which could be good or bad.........

Boatz · 08-2-2007, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Amateur Tier Points:
-Gives people points for reaching certain goals on Songs that are rated 4-8 in diffuculty.
-After a user reaches a certain amount of REGULAR tier points, They would be removed from the ATP list.
-Once this list goes into effect, Users that already have more than x regular tier points cannot be put on the ATP list.

That is EXACTLY how I envisioned this

Anyway, this is the most contested issue since Capulet got a scratch and Montague's car. We have LDs support, any more admins willing to back this?

Another req. for you:

Secret Zombie Room

(7)AAA
(6)Blackflag
(5)5 or less
(4)Single Digit Good
(3)20 or less
(2)FC

[TeRa] · 08-2-2007, 05:41 PM

nice to see this is progressing

jellygod · 08-2-2007, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boatz

That is EXACTLY how I envisioned this

Anyway, this is the most contested issue since Capulet got a scratch and Montague's car. We have LDs support, any more admins willing to back this?

Another req. for you:

Secret Zombie Room

(7)AAA
(6)Blackflag
(5)5 or less
(4)Single Digit Good
(3)20 or less
(2)FC

wohoo 7 more atps for me lol

.david · 08-2-2007, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jellygod

wohoo 7 more atps for me lol

As stated earlier in this thread, this is not the garbage bin. Dont flame an idea because u dont like it.

08-1-2007, 07:47 PM	#81
lightdarkness Summer!! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Age: 35 Posts: 11,308	Re: Amateur Tier Points Someone make ATP list, and I'll impliment it. __________________

08-1-2007, 07:55 PM	#82
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: Amateur Tier Points if you're actually going to do that LD, best to let the "pros" handle making the list. aka: rebirth, jx, summerschool. also... how do we plan on removing all the tier rank worthy people from the ATP list? clearly most will have full or almost full ATP points, thereby not allowing the newer players access to the ranking, which is the whole point. perhaps have a cut off? if you have over a certain number of points, you no longer qualify for ATP and have to deal solely with TP. __________________ RIP

08-1-2007, 07:57 PM	#83
Zageron Zageron E. Tazaterra RRR Developer & DevOps Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: BC Age: 32 Posts: 6,586	Re: Amateur Tier Points Yes. But if you implement ATP points from Stuff like free space. EVERYONE will have at least 1 ATP point. Which kind of destroys the purpose of "I want to get on the ATP list!" And they should not be combined whatsoever. If you reach 80% of the ATP list you should just get automatically deleted. And put onto the TP list. __________________ Help Develop FFR

08-1-2007, 08:14 PM	#84
GamerShadow FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In my Dungeon Age: 32 Posts: 2,534	Re: Amateur Tier Points Hence, the 4-8 diffuculty req's only. I posted that in my list before. For example: Take Me Back (6) AAA (5) 3 or less (4) SDG (3) 15 or less (2) 25 or less (1) Full Combo __________________ Note to self Finish.

08-1-2007, 08:45 PM	#87
.david FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 490	Re: Amateur Tier Points Sounds awesome, this is going to be my favourite feature of the site if it works out. __________________ AAA's - 110 Best - BALLOON FEVER :O Most Recent - BALLOON FEVER! Tier Points - 327

08-1-2007, 10:10 PM	#89
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Amateur Tier Points Make the maximum number (or some very large number) of ATPs be worth 1 TP. "Mastered the ATP system = 1 TP and removal from the ATP system" Also, it would be interesting if there could be a formal tier option in profiles. If you could set, like regions, your skill level from beginner up to guru and master, and then it would be easy to see who should and shouldn't qualify for tourneys, point systems, etc. You could put a minimum account age/games played on being able to set your skill tier to ward off people making beginner multis to wreck tourneys (Though I mean, they already can, so even a not very effective stopper is better than nothing)

08-1-2007, 11:44 PM	#91
Adamaja456 Absurd Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 31 Billion Club, WA Age: 33 Posts: 6,433	Re: Amateur Tier Points Please don't implement anything where x number of ATPs gets you 1 TP horrible idea IMO __________________ 582 Tier Points(Tier 3) 602 AAAs(517+23+62) People who bought me subscriptions/tokens: DrugstoreCowboy(1 month) ELRayford(3 months) ~GJampa(3 months) Jerry DB(3 months) 4th place in Gamewhore Competition(3 months) Phynx(FGJ album and Dendrite V2) dragon890x(1 year) Slide(1 year)

08-1-2007, 11:52 PM	#92
Zageron Zageron E. Tazaterra RRR Developer & DevOps Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: BC Age: 32 Posts: 6,586	Re: Amateur Tier Points I like the Idea of it going into the profiles tho. __________________ Help Develop FFR

08-2-2007, 12:49 AM	#93
_pandaman_ FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 479	Re: Amateur Tier Points I still can't believe this is actually going through. How many tier points cancels out the ATP then, so I can figure out If I need to do this to get past it (hopefully). __________________

08-2-2007, 12:52 AM	#94
jellygod FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 34 Posts: 1,703	Re: Amateur Tier Points yea at first i wanted it but not this seems retarded i can't believe they are actually going to do it though. __________________ RETIRED ___________________________ Best AAAs- Monstrous Turtles, Get down Styles- index,spread Tier Points: 148 Rank 8 in regional ranking(Great Lakes) "Never argue with stupid people, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Last edited by jellygod; 08-2-2007 at 01:09 AM..

08-2-2007, 01:02 AM	#95
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Amateur Tier Points Why is it "retarded" to scale a system for measuring accomplishments down further so that more people have a visible means of tracking progress than one or two averaged numbers?

08-2-2007, 05:41 PM	#98
[TeRa] FFR Player Join Date: May 2007 Age: 33 Posts: 9,922	Re: Amateur Tier Points nice to see this is progressing

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