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11-23-2010, 01:49 PM | #162 | ||
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Lets see if DarkbearX trolls you too with all the "hard to code" bullcrap.
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11-23-2010, 01:51 PM | #163 | |
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Re: New Veteran Status - Opinions?
vet·er·an
/ˈvɛtərən, ˈvɛtrən/ Show Spelled[vet-er-uhn, ve-truhn] Show IPA –noun 1. a person who has had long service or experience in an occupation, office, or the like: a veteran of the police force; a veteran of many sports competitions.
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11-23-2010, 02:10 PM | #164 | |
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I think that system is sound, though, even for us steel-traps. Goal: get 3bil before any of this happens so I don't have to worry about it (DOUBLE EDIT: oh it's both, nvm) Suppose vet status was awarded for just being good at the game. Average of avrank and gts rank under 1000, etc. plus a postcount requirement (250? 500?)
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11-23-2010, 02:28 PM | #165 | |
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HA! Finally figured out how to get my Sig in purple, and show the stats i want. I love knowing BBC. Last edited by SeraphinEveles; 11-23-2010 at 02:31 PM.. |
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11-23-2010, 03:18 PM | #166 |
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Re: New Veteran Status - Opinions?
Excludes: nev670, who somehow has -8382763 games played, and j03mfrmfr, prongsie, passivegirl, Card Man, Xx{Midday}xX, SC_coolguy44, MyDoctrine_00, [HectoGtzMX], ileatyourheart1, s0ulst0n3, UltimaAssassin, and erwilzei, who have their accounts closed so I can't tell what their stats are.
http://www.mediafire.com/?7by1n1z465b0aad Might give you guys some better inside as to the relationships between grand total score, member length, and forum activity. This uses the top 1000 list, which I think is a more-than-reasonable source of data ( > 4.7 billion GTS). Last edited by Reincarnate; 11-23-2010 at 03:20 PM.. |
11-23-2010, 04:08 PM | #167 |
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Re: New Veteran Status - Opinions?
Too bad. I would have the Member length down if anyone could help me figure out my password to my Mapleleaf2102 account. Be cool if you could still be a vet with verification of an alt that passes the qualifications. Ergo, your Alt passes 3 years member length, so your current account gets 3 year member length qualified.
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11-23-2010, 07:28 PM | #168 | |
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Time's worth a lot, game returns a lot, and posts alone won't get you there. Code:
Vet: obtain 4,500 points ---- posts: +1 for every two posts (+250 per 500) time: +2 per day (+730 per year) game: +1 per every 4,000,000 gts (+250 per bil) ---- token: +10 per token (1,370 cap) AAA: +3 per AAA (2,301 cap) FC: +0.5 per FC (384 cap) -- total possible from skill: 1370+2301+384 = 4,055 XCV (2 years / reclusive / semi-active / beginner) posts: 16 = 8 time: 2 years = ~1,400 game: 1 billion = 250 token: 45 = 450 AAA: 4 = 12 FC: 123 = 62 TOTAL ~2,250 Vet? 0 TomatoShadow (4 years / reclusive / semi-active / amateur) posts: 137 = ~50 time: 4 years = ~2,900 game: 7.5 bil = ~1,900 token: 55 = 550 AAA: 23 = ~50 FC: 565 = ~300 TOTAL ~5,800 Vet? 1 Mulie (1.8 years / semi-social / active / amateur) posts: 140 = 70 time: 1.8 years = ~1,300 game: 5.8 bil = ~1,500 (just another ~200 games :< ) token: 80 = 800 AAA: 10 = 30 FC: 280 = 140 TOTAL ~3,800 Vet? 0 DotKritic (1.5 years / post whore / doesn't play) posts: 1200 = 600 time: 1.4 years = ~1,000 game: 7 mil = 2 token: 10 = 100 AAA: 0 = 0 FC: 10 = 5 TOTAL ~1,700 Vet? 0 Etylukah (1.5 years / social / very active / elite / not vet ??) posts: 454 = ~220 time: 1.54 years = ~1,100 game: 17 bil = 4,250 token: ~130 = 1,300 AAA: 603 = ~1,800 FC: 766 = ~400 TOTAL 9,000 Vet? 1 Leonid (2.1 years / post whore / very active / elite / not vet ??) posts: 4100 = ~2,000 time: 2.1 years = ~1,500 game: 18 bil = 4,500 token: 135 = ~1,400 AAA: 710 = ~2,100 FC: 740 = ~400 TOTAL ~11,900 Vet? 1 devonin (6.6 years / social / doesn't play / not vet ??) posts: 7700 = ~3,900 time: 6.6 years = ~4,800 game: 2.4 bil = 600 token: 84 = ~800 AAA: 35 = ~100 FC: 248 = ~100 TOTAL ~10,300 Vet? 1 edit Actually, since the point is to calculate for the Vet threshold, AAAs and FCs would need to be worth a lot more, otherwise they'd be meaningless. It's easy but tedious to earn 200+ AAAs without gaining GTS. So it might be more reasonable to say, like, 5 per AAA and 1 per FC. Then someone with 200ish AAAs and 500ish FCs earns 1500 from skill, at which point they'd almost be breaking the threshold through gaming alone. More advanced people would earn a comparably obscene amount of points, but they more than deserve Veteran anyway. Take Dragon Shot / Velocity as an example. While making his new account (Velocity), he should be able to earn well over 4,500 points, grabbing vet almost exclusively with tokens, FCs and AAAs. As for posts: Halogen balanced posts so you'd have a very hard time passing for Vet with them alone, even if you're a post whore with 2.34 posts per day, every day since inception, like Dot Kritic. With posts alone, you'd need a considerably higher posting rate. And with that many posts you'd be either banned, have an old account, or be well-established and accepted by the community. Last edited by Mulie; 11-23-2010 at 08:47 PM.. |
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11-23-2010, 07:59 PM | #169 |
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Re: New Veteran Status - Opinions?
rushyrulz (4.75 years / very social / very active / vet)
posts: 4180 = ~2,900 time: 4.75 years = ~3468 game: 22.2 bil = 5540 token: 136 = 1360 AAA: 517 = ~1551 FC: 758 = ~379 TOTAL ~15,198 Vet? 1 hehehe
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11-23-2010, 09:33 PM | #170 |
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imo Mulie's kind on to something here. It probably wouldn't be that hard to implement but then again I have no idea what sort of hilariously tangled code ffr is standing on.
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11-23-2010, 10:13 PM | #171 |
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I approve Mulie's idea for the most part. The only thing I disapprove about your suggestion is the fact that skill shouldn't effect whether one deserves veteran status or not. But then again, it's depends how we define a veteran.
The current requirements seem to focus around whether a member is active in terms of member length and FFR-wise. If eliteness was ever considered in "veteran" status, I think it's best to make a separate status for the elites, but again that's just my opinion. But then again, that's separating the elites from the community which is highly discouraged. So, basically eliteness shouldn't be a factor regardless of the situation. |
11-23-2010, 10:18 PM | #172 |
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I personally think AAAs/FCs shouldn't matter for the veteran status - grand total is a better indication of being active and having a point value given per x points doesn't discriminate by skill, which is fantastic.
Also, the example in my numbers were a bit skewed, but it was just to show that a user shouldn't possess ONLY a lengthy account, or ONLY a lot of game plays, or ONLY a high forum post count, but more of a bit of everything. |
11-23-2010, 10:56 PM | #173 | ||
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Most people play the game repeatedly, gathering GTS and slowly improving their skill. Since that Vet threshold's scaled fairly low at a requirement of 4,500 points (with 5 points per AAA, 1 per FC), making the FCs they earn worth something as well as the few AAAs they can muster, most players would reach Vet as a function of natural game progression long before filling even a third of the skill point cap; simply because they'd simultaneously be earning points from GTS and time (and if they're really into the community, posts). This should become pretty evident if you look at all those stats I listed, but with a little more credit for their AAAs and FCs (since I didn't revise them). [example] And once one gains Vet status, one wouldn't have to concern themselves with it again. These "veteran points" should be a hidden part of the calculation. Rather than segregating players, it would encourage game involvement, becoming another piece of underground knowledge (adding depth to the game at the root of the community), and rewarding players for their accomplishments. There's a very low incidence of new accounts belonging to players that are already very good at FFR in relation to those of people just starting. But adding these facets would allow those experienced accounts (e.g. Dragon Shot/Velocity) to gain the Vet status they deserve without having to grind the game for GTS, and even still without negatively affecting the inexperienced. With this system, DS could realistically earn veteran on Velocity in fewer than two months. Last edited by Mulie; 11-23-2010 at 11:13 PM.. |
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11-23-2010, 10:59 PM | #174 |
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I play, but I'm on and off. And I have an alt, but according to aperson, it doesn't matter.
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11-23-2010, 11:08 PM | #175 |
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If it didn't matter I'd already have Vet.
Unless you mean the opposite. =x Noticed I can see the option for level stats (e.g. "DotKritic's Level Stats") on profile pages, but it redirects to my own. Last edited by Mulie; 11-23-2010 at 11:10 PM.. |
11-23-2010, 11:20 PM | #176 |
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God I just blushed so much I can't even believe it.
Ran a quick number crunch and the following applies under TC's system: 6 years OR 22.5 bil GTS OR over 9000 posts OR combination of these The stats there are so ridiculous by themselves that I think it's excellent. GTS isn't worth enough, though - 1 point every 2,222,220 points (10bil GTS by itself) seems kinda nice or maybe 2.5 mil (11.25 bil) Or if we want to be not at all like it is right now, 1 point every 3,333,330 (15bil). The rest is okay by me, though.
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11-23-2010, 11:24 PM | #177 |
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Actually, if we consider that my main is 5.35year old and got 22bil on top of having this account where it is right now it's ridiculous. >:
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11-23-2010, 11:27 PM | #178 |
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That's why I noted at the end of my post that a person shouldn't be rewarded just because they ONLY play a lot or ONLY have a long standing account, or ONLY are a prolific poster.
EDIT: at Haku - this is why you acquire points through all three, and not just one. You having 22bil and over 5 years almost makes you a 2x veteran. I'm sure you can get the vet status transferred to the proper account if you so need it. |
11-23-2010, 11:27 PM | #179 | |
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I honestly think that the easiest solution to this problem would be for the mods (if they were able to) to create ranks, and hierarchies for things regarding:
- membership length - in game play skill -forum involvement For example, like I'm sure I've explained in a previous post, maybe Mods could create forum statuses like most other forums do that displays your level of forum involvement and post frequency. Ex. (new poster, moderate poster, prolific poster) etc. As for recognizing in game play skill, maybe the mods could implement a system where tier points are automatically calculated and tier titles are automatically displayed, ranging from titles like FFR pro, FFR master, to FFR god etc. Then the veteran status could correlate to original join date and membership length. But the word veteran ultimately ties into how long someone's participated in something, everything else everyone is mentioning is basically irrelevant. Just my two cents.
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11-23-2010, 11:29 PM | #180 |
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Tier points don't really account for those who are active player. Those who are actively seeking to improve but can't, shouldn't be limited to getting screwed because they struggle.
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