George Zimmerman found innocent

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by mi40

without being actually black i don't think you (marcus) and i exactly know how AA works

but for sure i know for a fact that:

white males
asian females & males

are shafted the hardest by affirmative action, and you can't even say that's not true because asians are given the 'model minority' status and are expected to do well

white males are shafted because there's just so many of you it's hard to stand out

Argument from ignorance on your part. I know how it works just fine. You don't have to be black.

Again you're wrong about race, do some googling on the matter. Again, normalize the data.

[robertsona]

Originally Posted by SurdifiableOne

the fuck is this

[JohnRedWolf87]

Originally Posted by SurdifiableOne

Okay, lets go shoot all the kids who post photos of themselves giving the middle finger. Because they deserve to die, right? >.>

[robertsona]

also only the most unnuanced look at race in america / affirmative action would come to the conclusion that things are "easier" for black people because of the latter

like dogs c'mon

[hcmushroom]

so hard to be a white male in america, amirite?

[Fission]

hate to be that guy, but you guys need to get off mi40's nuts. every time he posts, this happens.

Originally Posted by robertsona

also only the most unnuanced look at race in america / affirmative action would come to the conclusion that things are "easier" for black people because of the latter

where did he ever say that everything is easier for black people?

Originally Posted by hcmushroom

so hard to be a white male in america, amirite?

way to extrapolate his post to mean something that he didn't even imply at all

[robertsona]

he said it presents an "unfair advantage" which is close enough and is only true if you consider these things in a vacuum. if i were some sort of alien landing on earth and i heard that Black People Get Jobs Easier i would consider that an unfair advantage too but to leave it at that is completely, uh, unfair

plus "i hate it when people say shit like "oh he was XXX'd because of being black"
no it's not because they were black, it's because you did something wrong or did something to deserve it"

this is just a bizarre statement; how can you say something like this is categorically true lol

edit: im still frustrated that that kind of response is considered "getting on his nuts" though; it's pretty easy to see that mi40 thinks there is no systematic oppression against black people in america. which is uh....fine i guess but i think my response had pretty clear roots in his original statement

[mi40]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Argument from ignorance on your part. I know how it works just fine. You don't have to be black.

Again you're wrong about race, do some googling on the matter. Again, normalize the data.

data must be taken into context

such as: what percentage of black & asian & white etc students graduate, and how many of those apply to colleges?

if you're implying there isn't an artificially lowered or raised standard for certain races in college admissions then i don't know what to say



what i'm SAYING is there is no need to include race in matters such as this, people don't do things because they are of X race

[hcmushroom]

Originally Posted by Fission

way to extrapolate his post to mean something that he didn't even imply at all

First of all, i'll allow him to judge what he implies. For me, it's merely a sarcastic comment related to the idea that white males aren't given credit for their suffering because of affirmative action or white guilt, etc.

[SurdifiableOne]

Originally Posted by JohnRedWolf87

Okay, lets go shoot all the kids who post photos of themselves giving the middle finger. Because they deserve to die, right? >.>

Obviously you don't get the concept of this picture.

[robertsona]

please explain to me the concept of that picture

i mean probably its worst offense is its strawman argument assuming there is some visible contingency of trayvon supporters larger than, like, maybe five people that are alleging that he had never done anything wrong, in his life, ever

[mi40]

yaboy is never serious get off his nuts

[robertsona]

who is yaboy here

[Fission]

Originally Posted by robertsona

he said it presents an "unfair advantage" which is close enough and is only true if you consider these things in a vacuum. if i were some sort of alien landing on earth and i heard that Black People Get Jobs Easier i would consider that an unfair advantage too but to leave it at that is completely, uh, unfair

plus "i hate it when people say shit like "oh he was XXX'd because of being black"
no it's not because they were black, it's because you did something wrong or did something to deserve it"

this is just a bizarre statement; how can you say something like this is categorically true lol

edit: im still frustrated that that kind of response is considered "getting on his nuts" though; it's pretty easy to see that mi40 thinks there is no systematic oppression against black people in america. which is uh....fine i guess but i think my response had pretty clear roots in his original statement

you are arguing two different things now. i'm not going to argue for or against this post, because it isn't my place to.

your previous post, on the other hand, made it seem like you thought he was arguing that every facet of life is easier for black people, which is not what he was saying at all.

in response to your last statement, it's that any time he posts, a lot of people go on the offensive against him and it's pretty absurd.

[mi40]

Originally Posted by robertsona

edit: im still frustrated that that kind of response is considered "getting on his nuts" though; it's pretty easy to see that mi40 thinks there is no systematic oppression against black people in america. which is uh....fine i guess but i think my response had pretty clear roots in his original statement

are you serious dude lol
what i'm saying is people need to stop linking black people and their race to everything

if anything what i'm saying is

1) people need to STOP saying black people are shit on because of their race
2) after putting race out of the argument, the systematic oppression that is relevant to many minorities (hispanics, blacks, etc) needs to be fixed as a whole

yeah i was unclear but never have i said there is no systematic oppression against black people in america
you just THINK there is a lot more systematic oppression against black people in america because white people feel the need to emphasize the fact that the white men are evil and the black people are poor people who have been shat on their entire lives

a lot of it has to do with culture which we can't do much about

[robertsona]

my argument has remained consistent throughout. "any time he posts" people are allowed to disagree and respond as such--i.e. be "on the offensive"--i fail to see how this is absurd; that's how these things work. good day

[mi40]

yeah robertsona dont worry bout it i get what you're saying lol
i can understand where you're comin from

[robertsona]

"2) after putting race out of the argument, the systematic oppression that is relevant to many minorities (hispanics, blacks, etc) needs to be fixed as a whole"

are you serious....what could this even mean

yes, let's remove race from our process of fixing oppression toward racial minorities

[Fission]

no, there is a difference between disagreeing with people and personal attacks. go look at any the previous threads he posted in where he posted a perfectly normal argument and personal attacks abound.

[hcmushroom]

Originally Posted by Fission

in response to your last statement, it's that any time he posts, a lot of people go on the offensive against him and it's pretty absurd.

I don't understand how to fix this though; if there are quite a few people that disagree with him, then there are quite a few people. Everyone's entitled to share whatever their opinion is, provided they follow the forum rules.