Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[bmah]

Originally Posted by aperson

I got metro and played it and that is one of the most unfortunate charts I've ever walked into.

It doesn't flow with the song. The patterns are garbage. Please completely rework that thing I'm going to cry if it gets accepted. Is everyone passing it because they have trouble playing it so they can't judge it accurately? That's the only reason I can figure that it didn't just get - - - -

Idk, I couldn't evaluate the file properly because of it's difficulty. All I can say is that the song only has replay value for the small number of people who can play at that level. At my own skill level, I wouldn't take it.

[bob bob]

woop my files didnt get crushed and got some useful feedback

ill fix coloris right up and resubmit it next batch

[who_cares973]

Metro sucks

[customstuff]

Originally Posted by Silvuh

customstuff:

You don't have to move the 16ths.

I went back after saying that and came up with the same pattern, ahaha.
I also missed a kick where there wasn't any other sounds so I added that in xD

[qqwref]

First off, a file shouldn't be thrown out just because one judge gave a very low score. Considering that some judges are harsh enough to give an occasional ? or - because they don't like the style of the file or song, I think instead of 17/20 points out of the 4 judges we would be better off asking for 14/15 points out of 3 judges, with the worst grade being removed. Files which get 13 could be considered borderline.

My votes:
Famicom Selecta (D) - yes
Gotta Catch 'em All (SKG_Scintill) - yes w/ changes
Scavenger (Plan_Bsk81127) - yes
Metro (DossarLX ODI) - yes

Originally Posted by bmah

All I can say is that the song only has replay value for the small number of people who can play at that level. At my own skill level, I wouldn't take it.

Right, isn't this true for ALL songs? At your skill level a playable 13 would be too hard; for more casual players anything 8+ might be impossibly fast, and only get played for mashed passes. On the other side, of course, I'm sure not going to play a very slow file (say, 1-6 difficulty) over and over, because even if I love the song it's just not physically interesting to play for me. And even a 7-9 would only get replayed after I AAA it if it's an awesome file (++ worthy or nearly). But I'm not going to throw a 3 out of the game just for being a 3, and I think you should do the same for a 13. Don't just think of yourself, think of the file and how the community would think of it.

[kommisar]

ap if i judged all the files like you did as i would like, everyone would be butthurt and question my judgment.

[Arch0wl]

I agree with qqwref. The criteria for admission here is pointlessly and often problematically strict. It reminds me of poorly structured group assignments. As of right now, most of the files in the batch were made competently enough that disagreements will come from stylistic differences and not objective issues like sync or pattern contradiction. I judged based on how I liked the files from my style's perspective, because that's all you can do, but it's frustrating to know that one bad rating from me might mean that someone's file didn't get in the game. Throwing a bunch of people at a batch doesn't make an accepted file somehow objectively better -- it makes it lucky that it didn't get conflicting judges.

[bmah]

Right, isn't this true for ALL songs? At your skill level a playable 13 would be too hard; for more casual players anything 8+ might be impossibly fast, and only get played for mashed passes. On the other side, of course, I'm sure not going to play a very slow file (say, 1-6 difficulty) over and over, because even if I love the song it's just not physically interesting to play for me. And even a 7-9 would only get replayed after I AAA it if it's an awesome file (++ worthy or nearly). But I'm not going to throw a 3 out of the game just for being a 3, and I think you should do the same for a 13. Don't just think of yourself, think of the file and how the community would think of it.

Which is why I stated that I couldn't fairly make a proper evaluation and didn't provide an official judgment on Metro. In addition, there are a lot less people at a higher skill level than a lower one, so while you can surely apply the generalization you've illustrated to any situation, there are surely more people who can play and enjoy a 9 than a 13, and more that may enjoy a 7 than a 9.

If anything qq, I'm constantly trying to think of how the community may react to these things, which is why I've made an attempt in this batch to make easier songs (failed attempt I must say). I try to diversify my files and make various considerations when reviewing files of varying patterns, styles, and difficulties. Sometimes awkward patterns might be a welcome change for instance, than a typical spread pattern. Or perhaps this sort of file would appeal to xx audience. So far, I won't give a specific grade for Metro. Selfishness is the last thing on my mind, got it?

[kommisar]

rough.


btw if i sent multiple charts (two separate songs) does it count as 1 file or 2

[bmah]

Two.

Arch sent two difficulties of XP Sounds last batch, and that also would be considered 2 files.

[kommisar]

screw it then, nobody would play mathsma attack shd

[aperson]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

I agree with qqwref. The criteria for admission here is pointlessly and often problematically strict.

Are you kidding look at some of the stuff that gets accepted

[Plan_Bsk81127]

I wouldnt mind Metro being in, FFR needs more like hard hard songs like high FGO+, there are a nice chunk of players that are narrowing down to only having like 2ish difficulties left to play from because they have AAA'd everything else. If you dont bring in more real hard file people are just going to end up being bored with FFR due to getting sick of playing the same 2 difficutlties over and over.

[aperson]

I'm fine bringing in hard files but the charts have to be good too

[kommisar]

there is such a thing as a good hard file that isn't LOL BURSTS 64TH WALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS LOOK AT MY RAINBOW INCOHERENT PATTERNS HOLY **** I AM HARD RIGHT NOW

[TC_Halogen]

oops


EDIT: brb too coherent

[Plan_Bsk81127]

He sent me the file awhile back, I dont remember it too well/know what he edited. Just remember it being a very fast file.

[kommisar]

wowowow bmah where did arrogant cobbler go


i'm sending it this batch

[leonid]

If a file feels comfortable to many players it probably isn't a hard file

[Arch0wl]

Originally Posted by aperson

Are you kidding look at some of the stuff that gets accepted

I am not kidding. Files are accepted which aren't to your stylistic preferences; that is and should be the case with everyone's preferences.