The Fitness Thread

[Reach]

Originally Posted by Senip

photoshop.

Hey Reach, John Meadows says he didnt do any cardio to get that shredded. Hooooly!

doesn't look it.

http://i.imgur.com/zFgSnjd.jpg

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Reach

It was even on Dr. Oz recently.

Fuck this guy, seriously.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Fuck this guy, seriously.

Yeah.

It pisses me off because he's highly educated and should know better. But he frequently ignores all scientific evidence and instead promotes quackery by bringing idiots and crackpots onto his show.

He had some moron on the show do an amalgam filling demo to prove the levels of mercury in fillings were toxic or something, despite the plethora of readily available, peer reviewed scientific studies on the matter demonstrating otherwise.

(if you're wondering at all, it would take upwards of 120 amalgam filled surfaces, which would be equivalent to every tooth in your mouth being comprised entirely of amalgam, to get the same mercury exposure in an entire week as eating a tuna fish sandwich).

[Reincarnate]

Yeah, that's exactly what bothers me. It's one thing to be ignorant and say stupid shit because you just weren't aware of the truth (which is something we're all guilty of -- I know I've done it countless times), but it's quite another to be highly educated/informed/skilled and then abuse that power when you know better.

You look at his background and it's just amazing... and yet here he is pushing forth snake oil, voodoo energy nonsense, pseudoscience, etc, while giving a platform to complete cranks. I mean, John Edward? Seriously?

Really disappointing stuff.

[Reach]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Yeah, that's exactly what bothers me. It's one thing to be ignorant and say stupid shit because you just weren't aware of the truth (which is something we're all guilty of -- I know I've done it countless times), but it's quite another to be highly educated/informed/skilled and then abuse that power when you know better.

You look at his background and it's just amazing... and yet here he is pushing forth snake oil, voodoo energy nonsense, pseudoscience, etc, while giving a platform to complete cranks. I mean, John Edward? Seriously?

Really disappointing stuff.

Holy shit he's doing psychics on his shows now?

How low can this guy go.

I wonder how much better off america would be if someone with the power of Dr. Oz actually spent time on television educating people properly on these matters and talking about topics with real legitimacy. Not that psychics isn't a legitimate topic, but let's get real here; it's pretty well established to be bullshit. I enjoy this segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ4uBqdLaXI

Let me guess, people wouldn't watch it, ratings would fall and it would disappear, leaving us with more of this crap? D:

I guess that's what happens when the population as a whole is uneducated and gullible. They eat this shit up. I know so many people that absolutely adore Dr. Oz and tell me all the time about these random remedies they learned about on his show >_> The moment I start talking about reality they shut down and ignore me entirely.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Reach

Holy shit he's doing psychics on his shows now?

How low can this guy go.

I wonder how much better off america would be if someone with the power of Dr. Oz actually spent time on television educating people properly on these matters and talking about topics with real legitimacy. Not that psychics isn't a legitimate topic, but let's get real here; it's pretty well established to be bullshit. I enjoy this segment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ4uBqdLaXI

Let me guess, people wouldn't watch it, ratings would fall and it would disappear, leaving us with more of this crap? D:

I guess that's what happens when the population as a whole is uneducated and gullible. They eat this shit up. I know so many people that absolutely adore Dr. Oz and tell me all the time about these random remedies they learned about on his show >_> The moment I start talking about reality they shut down and ignore me entirely.

It's a bitch and a half to get YT working through this proxy so I can't see it, but if it's the Derren Brown / Dawkins discussion, then yeah that one is pretty good.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit" I suppose.

[LLaMaSaUceYup]

Originally Posted by Reach

I guess that's what happens when the population as a whole is uneducated and gullible.

Originally Posted by Reach

The moment I start talking about reality they shut down and ignore me entirely.

Agreed, glad I stopped watching television.

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i was okay with T.V. for a while because back when G4 was awesome and i watched cartoon network it wasn't so bad, aside from the commercials. but now i only watch CN at others houses and G4 isn't so awesome anymore. also the commercials are so bad it pisses me off just looking at em.

p.s. i can't stand reality omfg

[LLaMaSaUceYup]

Yeah I am scared for the next generation, hah. Definitely not jealous. ~_~

[Calcium Deposit]

Originally Posted by Reach

Yeah.

It pisses me off because he's highly educated and should know better. But he frequently ignores all scientific evidence and instead promotes quackery by bringing idiots and crackpots onto his show.

He had some moron on the show do an amalgam filling demo to prove the levels of mercury in fillings were toxic or something, despite the plethora of readily available, peer reviewed scientific studies on the matter demonstrating otherwise.

(if you're wondering at all, it would take upwards of 120 amalgam filled surfaces, which would be equivalent to every tooth in your mouth being comprised entirely of amalgam, to get the same mercury exposure in an entire week as eating a tuna fish sandwich).

dont drink applejuice i hear it has arsenic thats rat poision ewy

[Cavernio]

"All of the *scientific* studies done on the subject recognize what levels of fluoride are safe and what aren't and fluoride levels coming from regulated sources have ppms well below toxic levels."

I don't give a shit about fluoride one way or the other, but there are multiple problems when going by such studies in regards to toxicity. Firstly, and by far the most important, is how toxicity levels, for pretty much anything, rely on LD50's and look at obvious, serious issues like cancer that cause the death. If something isn't going to kill you or give you cancer, but would otherwise fuck you up, toxicity studies aren't going to find anything wrong, even though there could still be serious health concerns with much smaller amounts. This is why endocrine disruptors are ubiquitous in our society.
Secondly, the ppm's you might get of fluoride in, say, a glass of water or even 8 glasses of water might not be harmful, but if it's then in your food and your toothpaste or somewhere else (I'm assuming food has to have some), you get a lot more of it than 1 serving's worth. I presume fluoride's been studied enough such that this has been considered. Even then though, using something I can draw on from experience, things like ppm of gluten and overall gluten consumption has also been considered, but if I ate 5ppm gluten food all the time, I would technically be eating quite safely and properly from a doctor's standpoint, yet still be sick.
Thirdly, different levels of the same thing can affect your body differently. Endocrine disruptor example again, BPA. In small quantities that are something 100-1000 times less (I forget how much, but it's a lot) than what will cause cancer, your body treats them differently.
Fourthly, what holds true for the population in general doesn't have to hold true to any 1 individual, ever. Obvious example: any allergy.

True safety studies regarding suspected harmful substances are ideally use amounts similar to what a person will be exposed to as well as upper tolerable limits and what causes death etc, and have some sort of duration taken into consideration.

I presume any doctor who advocates snake oil is taking advantage of the positive side of placebo.

[Reincarnate]

Cavernio: You can take virtually any ingredient from pretty much anything you eat or drink and crank it up to levels that cause harm in some way. Obviously that doesn't mean you should stop eating or drinking. What matters is that we look at the effects of those components at different levels and see what's considered beneficial/safe/etc or harmful/unsafe/etc.

Fluoride is *already* present in natural water supplies. The question is whether or not the slightly boosted level is harmful. The evidence suggests that it's not harmful even when assessed over a variety of metrics (not just cancer). In fact, it's actually quite helpful, and helps wage war against tooth decay. It's been studied pretty extensively by countless independent groups over the decades.

Some people may have an allergy to fluoride, but it's quite rare, and there's no evidence of any adverse reaction from the levels found in fluoridated water. Some people claim to be affected, but from what I've read, it seems to be most likely hypochondria/placebo effect/reactivity bias in those scenarios.

Tooth decay, on the other hand, is some health-crushing shit you definitely want to avoid. It can be costly and painful to address. So the advantages of fluoridated water far, far outweigh any "risks."

To address your last point: Some people know they're peddling snake oil, and some genuinely believe in their own nonsense. Either way, it's still a problem. Either you've got the blind leading the blind, or people that know better who are deceiving others for personal gain. The placebo effect is powerful, but it's a problem when people are systematically trained to distrust science/evidence and accept hocus pocus as a substitute. Then you have crazy parents who don't want to get their kids vaccinated, or who think it's okay to push religion into the science classroom, and so on. In the end, it's just a lot of fearmongering and ignorance.

[Choofers]

I still get people on my facebook that post about vaccines being linked to autism

oddly enough they're also outrageously religious

ps GluTEn

[Cavernio]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Cavernio: You can take virtually any ingredient from pretty much anything you eat or drink and crank it up to levels that cause harm in some way. Obviously that doesn't mean you should stop eating or drinking. What matters is that we look at the effects of those components at different levels and see what's considered beneficial/safe/etc or harmful/unsafe/etc.

Fluoride is *already* present in natural water supplies. The question is whether or not the slightly boosted level is harmful. The evidence suggests that it's not harmful even when assessed over a variety of metrics (not just cancer). In fact, it's actually quite helpful, and helps wage war against tooth decay. It's been studied pretty extensively by countless independent groups over the decades.

Some people may have an allergy to fluoride, but it's quite rare, and there's no evidence of any adverse reaction from the levels found in fluoridated water. Some people claim to be affected, but from what I've read, it seems to be most likely hypochondria/placebo effect/reactivity bias in those scenarios.

Tooth decay, on the other hand, is some health-crushing shit you definitely want to avoid. It can be costly and painful to address. So the advantages of fluoridated water far, far outweigh any "risks."

It's like you don't even read what I write. You totally missed my point. You aren't against anything I said.

[Reach]

Fluoride exposure across the entire spectrum of exposure levels has been studied extensively.

http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc...ion_PART_A.pdf

Just one review, but more information than you would ever want to know if you care.

[LLaMaSaUceYup]

Not sure what could be worse, vaccines, or mass-populated animals eating gmo's. Guess this would depend on which species I feel more empathic for. ~_~

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even "street" drugs can be beneficial in small doses. people blow shit out of proportion a lot.

no i'm not saying street drugs are a good thing

[infinity.]

Originally Posted by LLaMaSaUceYup

Not sure what could be worse, vaccines, or mass-populated animals eating gmo's. Guess this would depend on which species I feel more empathic for. ~_~

empathetic

also there is nothing out-right wrong with gmos as a general category, isolated incidences yes, but please get more informed

also for relevancy i've run 250 miles in the last month, it's weird running in asia because the land is flatter, but it's really poorly made so it can be easy to twist an ankle if you're not careful.. it's also eternally hot so you have to wait until it's late before you can really do physical stuff outside

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by LLaMaSaUceYup

Not sure what could be worse, vaccines, or mass-populated animals eating gmo's. Guess this would depend on which species I feel more empathic for. ~_~

we don't need a moron feeling sorry for us, try again (O:

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by LLaMaSaUceYup

Not sure what could be worse, vaccines, or mass-populated animals eating gmo's. Guess this would depend on which species I feel more empathic for. ~_~