Simply put... your life is a lie.

perfect_fat · 05-25-2004, 01:20 AM

Look around you. None of what you see is real but yourself.

For thousands of years, people have searched within themselves to find meaning in this existence. Most have failed. The ones who succeeded were simply deluding themselves, creating religions and philosophies simply to bring control over their existence, to end their quest for true knowledge with a lie. A lie they convinced themselves to believe.

Many famous philosophers are credited with these "great insights" when in fact, most of them are utter bullshit. Simply a shot of morphine to cool their feverish minds. Today, we have a more tangible meaning of life that all of us follow. That philosophy is consumerism.

We were all born into a world, where we had a box with a glass screen flashing images at us, encouraging us to purchase an assortment of products from toys to dish soap. These ideas became a part of us at a young age.

This is the modern equivalent to attending church, though millions still refuse to acknowledge it.

Somebody told me today, to make something of my life. I thought for a moment, what does that really mean. They don't know me, they don't know if I have the mental capacity to do something artistically or culturally. They don't know anything about me for that matter. They simply know that I work at KFC.

Now, what could they have possibly meant by saying to make something of my life. There is only one conclusion that I could come to. To make more money, so I can buy more stuff.

People are judged in our society by how much they make, own and what it says on their bank statements. Simply put, we equate success with a substantial sum of money and possessions, and failure with a lack thereof. In days long ago, you did not have an oppurtunity to gain wealth if you were not born into it. There was a ruling class that controlled the currency, and many of them remain the ruling class today. Our society, which has been dubbed "freedom", has changed all of this.

Today, our lives revolve around material possessions. Ironically, mantras of those who are comfortable in life often equate money to being worthless, and success a measure of your overall emotional state. Yet, these people are as deluded as Rousseau or DesCartes. These same people feel the same urges we all do. The urge to buy more, to have more, to keep getting more until we have everything that we need.

For some people, they do reach that goal. They make millions of dollars doing what they have chosen to do and never worry about money again. For the vast, vast majority of us, we end up in dead end jobs to pay the rent and buy groceries. We live in a society where the poor are shunned and looked down upon, even though the working class is what makes this country run.

Every morsel of food that you have bought at the grocery store was produced in a factory. Factory workers often have a high school diploma at most. These products are then forkilifted onto a truck by another poor person, and driven to wherever by a "lowly" truck driver for your convenience.

Our entire lives are a paradox. You are told to be rich and famous, yet the entire world depends on the "failures" in life to run. Without a large, healthy working class, this world is nothing. Who will package and transport our food? Who will clean our sewers and our streets? Who will build our homes, replace our siding, tile our roofs?

If we all had millions of dollars, none of us would work. Maybe some would for the sake of the country, but not enough to make a significant difference. If we were all allowed to pursue the so-called "American Dream", our entire lives would be more worthless and empty than they are now. Without the poor to take advantage of and oppress, where are we left? There are no more goods and services to be provided. Our money becomes as worthless as the paper it is printed on.

The entire world can not have wealth, because that would cause discomfort, in the end, for everybody. Why then, why, do we look down upon those that work these shit jobs for our benefit? We cook your food, we pump your gas, we are your doormen, your cab drivers. We make you pizza, we bring you beer, we care for your children, and what do we receive in turn? Insults, humiliation and contempt.

Everything you see around you was produced by somebody, probably making close to minimum wage. Your success, failure, or that of your parents' isn't real. Simply a societal illusion based on greed.

The "worthless losers" are in fact, the most valuable members of society. Without them, you would have nothing, and what you have, is at their expense. Their blood, second degree burns, workplace deaths and the like, all to create a product for you to buy, to help you attempt to complete your meaningless existence.

I once meant an adamant anti-consumerism advocate, he went into great detail about owning every issue of adbusters and having the no-logo sneakers. Consumerism has seeped into every pore of our society, and it exists on the basis that you must not fail in attaining wealth, while those who do fail, perpetuate the system that has inevitably failed them.

This great pursuit of useless shit even affects those at the bottom. They have even more desire for it, because it is so far from their reach.

Those goods around you mean nothing, except for oppression and broken dreams. Every time you eat at a restaurant, somebody in the kitchen is calling you an asshole for making him/her cook while they're trying to close up so they can go home for the night. Sometimes your food is dropped on the ground, WHOOPS!

So next time you glance upon these "losers" with an air of superiority and contempt, wonder to yourself if they've ever made your life better. If they wear shitty clothes because their boss wants to keep labour costs down. If they've ever risked their life, or their well-being to do their job right.

Everything around you, from your computer, to your bed, is just a stolen dream, a lie, in material form.

Jam930 · 05-25-2004, 03:02 AM

And yet you bother to post this on a forum about seeing who can dance their finger on a keyboard to a song faster between 2 people on opposite sides of the third planet from the sun which is covered in idiots slowly killing themselves with poor politics, polution, drugs and uncleanliness.

Laharl · 05-25-2004, 08:12 AM

Yay for creating the most ignorant post in the longest time! I hand you an award, perfect fact.

Define reality, nimrod. If all we know is a lie, then all the lies become truth, for that's the way things are.

Feebleminded liberal idiots. *sigh*

Anonymous · 05-25-2004, 09:00 AM

jamie, you are uncleanliness, hobag.

RuhielRaptor · 05-25-2004, 09:03 AM

Fat- you need to realize that unless you die, you're going to have to put up with life through bad and good like the rest of us. Even if I never make any difference at all I'm glad to be able to live in this world even if it means nothing. Why? I don't know, so I'm just gonna live. Even if it means living in a world with fellow failures. You should too.

DracIV · 05-25-2004, 02:55 PM

Perfect, I see a major flaw. I as well as most other in my community follow a different ideal. You only need enough money to be middle class. You cook your own food, you are nice to others. No one looks down on other people. It isn't the losers who do those jobs, it's the young people or those who enjoy it. We take care of our own kids, we clean our own stuff, we supply ourselves with food, no one is truly a failure. The world is what you make it.

**Freak83** · 05-25-2004, 03:08 PM

This is something that I think about sometimes, it only leads back to the question "What is the point of life?" You live you die, how are you going to fill it inbetween? Ruin others lives? World peace? The best answer I have found is to do what makes you happy, enjoy life to the fullest. You may think by saying this, you could just say that you are going to spend the rest of your life not going to school and just playing games, but then your parents wouldn't be happy and that wouldn't make you happy either so it can't work that way.

It may be true it's just a continuous circle but it has to be filled in the best way you can fill it.

perfect_fat · 05-25-2004, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DracIV

Perfect, I see a major flaw. I as well as most other in my community follow a different ideal. You only need enough money to be middle class. You cook your own food, you are nice to others. No one looks down on other people. It isn't the losers who do those jobs, it's the young people or those who enjoy it. We take care of our own kids, we clean our own stuff, we supply ourselves with food, no one is truly a failure. The world is what you make it.

The world/your life is what you make it is simply a euphamism for ignorance is bliss. I'm not pusing any ideals here. It's an analysis of our society.

perfect_fat · 05-25-2004, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laharl

Yay for creating the most ignorant post in the longest time! I hand you an award, perfect fact.

Define reality, nimrod. If all we know is a lie, then all the lies become truth, for that's the way things are.

Feebleminded liberal idiots. *sigh*

Define reality? You define reality you douchebag.

Did you even read it or just the title you reactionary jingoist would-be nazi sympathiser?

jewpinthethird · 05-26-2004, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Feebleminded liberal idiots. *sigh*

Not all Liberals are feebleminded.

And, as long as the Equator is really, then I am happy.

05-26-2004, 12:16 AM

Perfect, you need to quit using inflammatory language and generalizations if you want your arguments to sound credible. Calling great philosophers "bullshit" without anything to back it up is a big no-no, as is using similes to compare television to church, etc. Calling our existances meaningless without proof to back it up and making it seem like every lower-class employee resents the middle class and hates their life does not help either. In addition, you seem to be under the impression that adding quote marks to a term turns it into a lie somehow.

Also, when you call people "reactionary jingoist would-be nazi sympathizers" it doesn't make you seem more intelligent. It just makes it seem like you can't accept ideas other than your own.

Your macabre, dystopian view of our world is unfounded and transparent. You fail to acknowledge the very concept of happiness and the thrill of achievement. You ignore the good that humans do. You take small segments of the population and then draw sweeping generalizations about the rest. You trivialize the concept of free will, and seem to be under the impression that humans cannot make choices or better their situations. Finally, you are trapped in a defeatist mindset where you feel that the fictions you have established cannot possibly be remedied.

If envisioning the world as a miserable hellhole somehow makes you feel better about yourself, then by all means, paint your grim pictures. But don't expect us to be suckered in by your propaganda.

-Chardish

perfect_fat · 05-26-2004, 12:40 AM

Quote:

You trivialize the concept of free will, and seem to be under the impression that humans cannot make choices or better their situations.

That one sentance makes me think that you didn't get my point at all. "Everybody" can't change their situation because of the structure of the system.

I could write an essay about the great things in the world, and ignore all of the bad things, well, if I was under the influence of heavy drugs I may be able to. It was a highly subjective "essay" (when I use quotes, it does not imply a lie, it implies a proper name)

Envisioning the world as a miserable hellhole? I guess I must be really good at expressing tone because I don't come out and say anything directly like that. I simply imply that our entire world is built on the blood and sweat of workers, and the people at the top receive all of the rewards, doing the least amount of work. Do you disagree with that statement?

And it's impossible to prove that life is utterly meaningless. Are you saying that christians are not allowed to express their beliefs simply because they can't prove to you that god doesn't exist?

Laharl came back with an ignorant, unconstructive comment so I returned.

Jam930 · 05-26-2004, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymous

jamie, you are uncleanliness, hobag.

Very funny RuhielRaptor, you lame bitch.

as for something on topic.

Even if life is a lie, who cares? and how does that matter?

perfect_fat · 05-26-2004, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jam930

Even if life is a lie, who cares? and how does that matter?

The people who get shit on care, but why do they matter?

jewpinthethird · 06-5-2004, 11:40 PM

I found this while browsing around Stile Project for strange videos/pictures and porn (WARNING: THE WEBPAGE, BEING AN ASSOCIATE OF STILE PROJECT, CONTAINS LINKS TO PRONOGRAPHIC AND GRAPHIC WEBSITES ASWELL AS PRONOGRAPHIC ADVERTISEMENTS. IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT KIND OF THING. DO NOT CLICK THE LINK.)

http://www.blogwars.com/modules.php?...ticle&sid=2888

Sounded familiar.

Just wondering if that was

Laharl · 06-6-2004, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perfect_fat

Laharl came back with an ignorant, unconstructive comment so I returned.

Ignorant how?

Go read what I wrote again.

And hell yes, it was unconstructive. You're stupid for following an unhappy ideal, so I'm going to belittle the hell out of you.

Reality, dipshit, is EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS. Reality is truth, because that's the way things unfold. Therefore, life cannot be a lie.

alvask8er · 06-6-2004, 12:26 AM

Let's not forget the real definition of ignorant....to not know.....But if everyone were rich, the "system" would still work, since the lower end jobs would have higher wages, and life would be good. Until inflation hits again, or if that doesnt happen, there would still be people making more money than others, and it would separate classes. And simply put...your title is a lie. We live in truth, you cannot deny the existence. I read your entire post, so dont call me a nazi or whatnot...you just could have thought of a better title.

TheTypist · 06-10-2004, 09:29 AM

I say, [Perfect Fat,] you are the first in a while I really feel like calling a loser. If you are too scared to look for fufillment, don't spread it to others. To not believe in God is infinitely more absurd than believing that there is one. I can't get into the details now, but look: there is BELIEVING there is a God, and BELIEVEING that there is none. There you go, at least they're equal for now. Good day.

xMrHx · 06-16-2004, 07:50 PM

You think by throwing in what you think are intellectual words here and there makes your rant worth more than it is, when really, all you are doing is complaining about your job. The reason why people look down on these "losers", as you like to call them, is because they can. And everyone has the ability to do what they want. It's called freedom. These lower-class workers wouldn't have their jobs if it wasn't for the people higher up, which you think is the devil of some sort.

And it's not as though we are forcing these people to do these jobs. They are doing it under their own free will. If they don't want to be a street sweeper, then they don't have to be. They are choosing their own destiny.

05-25-2004, 01:20 AM	#1
perfect_fat FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 161	Simply put... your life is a lie. Look around you. None of what you see is real but yourself. For thousands of years, people have searched within themselves to find meaning in this existence. Most have failed. The ones who succeeded were simply deluding themselves, creating religions and philosophies simply to bring control over their existence, to end their quest for true knowledge with a lie. A lie they convinced themselves to believe. Many famous philosophers are credited with these "great insights" when in fact, most of them are utter bullshit. Simply a shot of morphine to cool their feverish minds. Today, we have a more tangible meaning of life that all of us follow. That philosophy is consumerism. We were all born into a world, where we had a box with a glass screen flashing images at us, encouraging us to purchase an assortment of products from toys to dish soap. These ideas became a part of us at a young age. This is the modern equivalent to attending church, though millions still refuse to acknowledge it. Somebody told me today, to make something of my life. I thought for a moment, what does that really mean. They don't know me, they don't know if I have the mental capacity to do something artistically or culturally. They don't know anything about me for that matter. They simply know that I work at KFC. Now, what could they have possibly meant by saying to make something of my life. There is only one conclusion that I could come to. To make more money, so I can buy more stuff. People are judged in our society by how much they make, own and what it says on their bank statements. Simply put, we equate success with a substantial sum of money and possessions, and failure with a lack thereof. In days long ago, you did not have an oppurtunity to gain wealth if you were not born into it. There was a ruling class that controlled the currency, and many of them remain the ruling class today. Our society, which has been dubbed "freedom", has changed all of this. Today, our lives revolve around material possessions. Ironically, mantras of those who are comfortable in life often equate money to being worthless, and success a measure of your overall emotional state. Yet, these people are as deluded as Rousseau or DesCartes. These same people feel the same urges we all do. The urge to buy more, to have more, to keep getting more until we have everything that we need. For some people, they do reach that goal. They make millions of dollars doing what they have chosen to do and never worry about money again. For the vast, vast majority of us, we end up in dead end jobs to pay the rent and buy groceries. We live in a society where the poor are shunned and looked down upon, even though the working class is what makes this country run. Every morsel of food that you have bought at the grocery store was produced in a factory. Factory workers often have a high school diploma at most. These products are then forkilifted onto a truck by another poor person, and driven to wherever by a "lowly" truck driver for your convenience. Our entire lives are a paradox. You are told to be rich and famous, yet the entire world depends on the "failures" in life to run. Without a large, healthy working class, this world is nothing. Who will package and transport our food? Who will clean our sewers and our streets? Who will build our homes, replace our siding, tile our roofs? If we all had millions of dollars, none of us would work. Maybe some would for the sake of the country, but not enough to make a significant difference. If we were all allowed to pursue the so-called "American Dream", our entire lives would be more worthless and empty than they are now. Without the poor to take advantage of and oppress, where are we left? There are no more goods and services to be provided. Our money becomes as worthless as the paper it is printed on. The entire world can not have wealth, because that would cause discomfort, in the end, for everybody. Why then, why, do we look down upon those that work these shit jobs for our benefit? We cook your food, we pump your gas, we are your doormen, your cab drivers. We make you pizza, we bring you beer, we care for your children, and what do we receive in turn? Insults, humiliation and contempt. Everything you see around you was produced by somebody, probably making close to minimum wage. Your success, failure, or that of your parents' isn't real. Simply a societal illusion based on greed. The "worthless losers" are in fact, the most valuable members of society. Without them, you would have nothing, and what you have, is at their expense. Their blood, second degree burns, workplace deaths and the like, all to create a product for you to buy, to help you attempt to complete your meaningless existence. I once meant an adamant anti-consumerism advocate, he went into great detail about owning every issue of adbusters and having the no-logo sneakers. Consumerism has seeped into every pore of our society, and it exists on the basis that you must not fail in attaining wealth, while those who do fail, perpetuate the system that has inevitably failed them. This great pursuit of useless shit even affects those at the bottom. They have even more desire for it, because it is so far from their reach. Those goods around you mean nothing, except for oppression and broken dreams. Every time you eat at a restaurant, somebody in the kitchen is calling you an asshole for making him/her cook while they're trying to close up so they can go home for the night. Sometimes your food is dropped on the ground, WHOOPS! So next time you glance upon these "losers" with an air of superiority and contempt, wonder to yourself if they've ever made your life better. If they wear shitty clothes because their boss wants to keep labour costs down. If they've ever risked their life, or their well-being to do their job right. Everything around you, from your computer, to your bed, is just a stolen dream, a lie, in material form.

05-25-2004, 03:02 AM	#2
Jam930 FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,069	And yet you bother to post this on a forum about seeing who can dance their finger on a keyboard to a song faster between 2 people on opposite sides of the third planet from the sun which is covered in idiots slowly killing themselves with poor politics, polution, drugs and uncleanliness. __________________ -Jamie

05-25-2004, 08:12 AM	#3
Laharl FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 38 Posts: 1,821	Yay for creating the most ignorant post in the longest time! I hand you an award, perfect fact. Define reality, nimrod. If all we know is a lie, then all the lies become truth, for that's the way things are. Feebleminded liberal idiots. sigh __________________ SIG PICTURES: POINTLESSLY TAKING UP BANDWIDTH SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE INTERNET

05-25-2004, 09:03 AM	#5
RuhielRaptor FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: on assignment, be back in 5 minutes Posts: 32	Fat- you need to realize that unless you die, you're going to have to put up with life through bad and good like the rest of us. Even if I never make any difference at all I'm glad to be able to live in this world even if it means nothing. Why? I don't know, so I'm just gonna live. Even if it means living in a world with fellow failures. You should too. __________________ The following people are on my hit list(for now...): Lifetime- for teaching children that women are rape toys and all men are evil(ladies, I\'m single and guranteed not to rape you!)

06-6-2004, 12:26 AM	#17
alvask8er FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 61	Let's not forget the real definition of ignorant....to not know.....But if everyone were rich, the "system" would still work, since the lower end jobs would have higher wages, and life would be good. Until inflation hits again, or if that doesnt happen, there would still be people making more money than others, and it would separate classes. And simply put...your title is a lie. We live in truth, you cannot deny the existence. I read your entire post, so dont call me a nazi or whatnot...you just could have thought of a better title. __________________

05-25-2004, 09:00 AM	#4
Anonymous FFR Player Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,088	jamie, you are uncleanliness, hobag.

05-25-2004, 02:55 PM	#6
DracIV FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 298	Perfect, I see a major flaw. I as well as most other in my community follow a different ideal. You only need enough money to be middle class. You cook your own food, you are nice to others. No one looks down on other people. It isn't the losers who do those jobs, it's the young people or those who enjoy it. We take care of our own kids, we clean our own stuff, we supply ourselves with food, no one is truly a failure. The world is what you make it.

05-25-2004, 03:08 PM	#7
Freak83 FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,281	This is something that I think about sometimes, it only leads back to the question "What is the point of life?" You live you die, how are you going to fill it inbetween? Ruin others lives? World peace? The best answer I have found is to do what makes you happy, enjoy life to the fullest. You may think by saying this, you could just say that you are going to spend the rest of your life not going to school and just playing games, but then your parents wouldn't be happy and that wouldn't make you happy either so it can't work that way. It may be true it's just a continuous circle but it has to be filled in the best way you can fill it.

05-26-2004, 12:16 AM	#11
User6773 Guest Posts: n/a	Perfect, you need to quit using inflammatory language and generalizations if you want your arguments to sound credible. Calling great philosophers "bullshit" without anything to back it up is a big no-no, as is using similes to compare television to church, etc. Calling our existances meaningless without proof to back it up and making it seem like every lower-class employee resents the middle class and hates their life does not help either. In addition, you seem to be under the impression that adding quote marks to a term turns it into a lie somehow. Also, when you call people "reactionary jingoist would-be nazi sympathizers" it doesn't make you seem more intelligent. It just makes it seem like you can't accept ideas other than your own. Your macabre, dystopian view of our world is unfounded and transparent. You fail to acknowledge the very concept of happiness and the thrill of achievement. You ignore the good that humans do. You take small segments of the population and then draw sweeping generalizations about the rest. You trivialize the concept of free will, and seem to be under the impression that humans cannot make choices or better their situations. Finally, you are trapped in a defeatist mindset where you feel that the fictions you have established cannot possibly be remedied. If envisioning the world as a miserable hellhole somehow makes you feel better about yourself, then by all means, paint your grim pictures. But don't expect us to be suckered in by your propaganda. -Chardish

06-5-2004, 11:40 PM	#15
jewpinthethird (The Fat's Sabobah) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 11,711	I found this while browsing around Stile Project for strange videos/pictures and porn (WARNING: THE WEBPAGE, BEING AN ASSOCIATE OF STILE PROJECT, CONTAINS LINKS TO PRONOGRAPHIC AND GRAPHIC WEBSITES ASWELL AS PRONOGRAPHIC ADVERTISEMENTS. IF YOU ARE SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT KIND OF THING. DO NOT CLICK THE LINK.) http://www.blogwars.com/modules.php?...ticle&sid=2888 Sounded familiar. Just wondering if that was

06-10-2004, 09:29 AM	#18
TheTypist FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 126	loser I say, [Perfect Fat,] you are the first in a while I really feel like calling a loser. If you are too scared to look for fufillment, don't spread it to others. To not believe in God is infinitely more absurd than believing that there is one. I can't get into the details now, but look: there is BELIEVING there is a God, and BELIEVEING that there is none. There you go, at least they're equal for now. Good day.

06-16-2004, 07:50 PM	#19
xMrHx FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 14	You think by throwing in what you think are intellectual words here and there makes your rant worth more than it is, when really, all you are doing is complaining about your job. The reason why people look down on these "losers", as you like to call them, is because they can. And everyone has the ability to do what they want. It's called freedom. These lower-class workers wouldn't have their jobs if it wasn't for the people higher up, which you think is the devil of some sort. And it's not as though we are forcing these people to do these jobs. They are doing it under their own free will. If they don't want to be a street sweeper, then they don't have to be. They are choosing their own destiny.

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