Beer, sex, and lasers. - Page 2

**Calcium Deposit** · 03-21-2008, 02:56 PM

See, the problem, the theme of this wasn't that how it could happen, but what you think about the mere idea of advertising on the moon and its implications. Despite the playfulness of the presentation of the situation, I am bringing up an important issue of where media should draw its line. Some of you caught on to that, others well...

Selinica · 03-21-2008, 03:13 PM

Advertising on the moon? Foul.

Advertising on a billboard? Great

The thing is, a billboard can be taken down. The moon... well, different story. Using a laser on the moon to advertise is blatantly idiotic because, when the ad is defunct, you will probably need to erase it somehow, messing up the moon bit by bit. In any case, companies and advertising agencies shouldn't fiddle with nature like that to get their point across. I really do enjoy a good full moon, and such advertising would ruin nice events like eclipses and such.

**devonin** · 03-21-2008, 04:31 PM

Like I said in Calcium Deposit's PM about the issue. It isn't even a hypothetical situation because it simply isn't possible, and even if it were, it would never be allowed.

Someone would have to actually own the moon in order to put an advertisement on it, and treaties signed between pretty much every major power with a space program have decreed that nobody can own space.

pntballa18 · 03-21-2008, 04:41 PM

Hey guys. They aren't taking over the moon for themselves. They aren't permanently engraving anything on the moon. They're shining a laser at it. This isn't illegal, nor should it be. Like some people have said, the moon belongs to all, so who's to say they don't have the right to shine a laser at it? Think of a painting in a museum. Anyone in the museum can look at it. It's not vandalism if you shine a laser at a painting. The same goes for the moon.

JKPolk · 03-21-2008, 04:51 PM

China didn't sign that agreement. It's also not impossible for them to get lasers to focus on the moon. So, this isn't unfeasible.

**Calcium Deposit** · 03-21-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by devonin

Like I said in Calcium Deposit's PM about the issue. It isn't even a hypothetical situation because it simply isn't possible, and even if it were, it would never be allowed.

Someone would have to actually own the moon in order to put an advertisement on it, and treaties signed between pretty much every major power with a space program have decreed that nobody can own space.

Hypothetical situations are not always possible. That is why they are hypothetical, I guess.
So answer me this: If people are not allowed to put messages on the moon, then why are they allowed to try? If it happens to succeed, then according to you every nation will throw a fit. So wouldn't it be in our nation's (U.S.) best interest to stop them?

Of course it most likely won't succeed, not on the first try, but anything is possible in a hypothetical situation.

Oh and any other private messages you would like to make public? I am sure you have some juicy ones you e-stud you.

**devonin** · 03-21-2008, 05:11 PM

You said the same thing in your private message as you said in your public message. I simply said the same thing in my public message as I did in my private message. Is that seriously an issue for you? I didn't even say what you said in your message, I just said "Like I said in my response to your PM etc" yeesh.

JKPolk · 03-21-2008, 05:12 PM

It wouldn't cause every other country to throw a fit. It would cause a country who cared to take it to the UN forum. Ooh, threatening. Scary. But that's all that could happen.

**Calcium Deposit** · 03-21-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonin

You said the same thing in your private message as you said in your public message. I simply said the same thing in my public message as I did in my private message. Is that seriously an issue for you? I didn't even say what you said in your message, I just said "Like I said in my response to your PM etc" yeesh.

Not really, I stopped caring about this thread since it is in chit chat.

**devonin** · 03-21-2008, 05:15 PM

That seems pretty prejudicial of chit-chat.

Tokzic · 03-21-2008, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JKPolk

It wouldn't cause every other country to throw a fit. It would cause a country who cared to take it to the UN forum. Ooh, threatening. Scary. But that's all that could happen.

technically if they only advertise it in north america, china won't even see it

**Calcium Deposit** · 03-21-2008, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonin

That seems pretty prejudicial of chit-chat.

Or it means that this thread isn't as serious to me as it would be in another forum.
Or whoops I mean Chit chat is just chuck full of serious threads.

**devonin** · 03-21-2008, 05:31 PM

Depending on the manner in which they tried to project the image onto the moon, I'm not exactly sure they could pick which countries could or couldn't see it. The moon's pretty far away. If you put an image on it large enough to actually -see- from Earth, I'd imagine everyone who can actually see it from their hemisphere would be able to see it.

JKPolk · 03-21-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokzic

technically if they only advertise it in north america, china won't even see it

I was more saying the fact that, assuming the corporation planning on advertising on the moon is international, they could just shine from China. They'd have no restrictions by doing that, and China would also gain the prestige of being "the first country to ad on the moon," which I'm sure they'd just love for nationalism purposes.

Tokzic · 03-21-2008, 05:39 PM

just judging by the fact that they have a "sorry it didn't work" video online and it hasn't even been night yet, i think this is completely fake

bluguerrilla · 03-22-2008, 07:54 AM

Regardless of whether or not this is a joke (and I'm sure it is), the numbers make this impossible.

The concept is using the law that the far field diffraction pattern of an illuminated screen will be the fourier transform of the screen.

So, you take a fourier transform of your image (Rolling Rock logo), put it on a small screen, shine a laser through it towards the moon, on the moon shows up a fourier transform of the fourier transform of the logo (which is just a reversed version of the logo, so you have to reverse the image to begin with).

I'm sure many people have seen this work with laser pointers, etc.

There is, however, no way this would work because the power required is unfeasible.

OMG its HIM · 03-22-2008, 02:09 PM

...weird?

arsonistsgetallthegirls · 03-22-2008, 02:24 PM

Who said it had to be cast from earth?

Space lasers.

But that would be rather expensive...

JKPolk · 03-22-2008, 02:45 PM

The power required wouldn't be any more than that needed to fire the new Naval Rail Gun, and while exorbitant it's not impossible.

Misa_Amane · 03-22-2008, 08:06 PM

& i only opened this because it said beer.
mmmm...

03-21-2008, 02:56 PM	#21
Calcium Deposit I am the liquor Join Date: May 2007 Location: Where ever evil lurks Age: 35 Posts: 706	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. See, the problem, the theme of this wasn't that how it could happen, but what you think about the mere idea of advertising on the moon and its implications. Despite the playfulness of the presentation of the situation, I am bringing up an important issue of where media should draw its line. Some of you caught on to that, others well...

03-21-2008, 03:13 PM	#22
Selinica FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Canada Age: 40 Posts: 98	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. Advertising on the moon? Foul. Advertising on a billboard? Great The thing is, a billboard can be taken down. The moon... well, different story. Using a laser on the moon to advertise is blatantly idiotic because, when the ad is defunct, you will probably need to erase it somehow, messing up the moon bit by bit. In any case, companies and advertising agencies shouldn't fiddle with nature like that to get their point across. I really do enjoy a good full moon, and such advertising would ruin nice events like eclipses and such. __________________ I'm licking a SPOON.

03-21-2008, 04:31 PM	#23
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. Like I said in Calcium Deposit's PM about the issue. It isn't even a hypothetical situation because it simply isn't possible, and even if it were, it would never be allowed. Someone would have to actually own the moon in order to put an advertisement on it, and treaties signed between pretty much every major power with a space program have decreed that nobody can own space.

03-21-2008, 04:41 PM	#24
pntballa18 FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hossin Age: 32 Posts: 3,357	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. Hey guys. They aren't taking over the moon for themselves. They aren't permanently engraving anything on the moon. They're shining a laser at it. This isn't illegal, nor should it be. Like some people have said, the moon belongs to all, so who's to say they don't have the right to shine a laser at it? Think of a painting in a museum. Anyone in the museum can look at it. It's not vandalism if you shine a laser at a painting. The same goes for the moon. __________________

03-21-2008, 04:51 PM	#25
JKPolk tool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: satan Age: 37 Posts: 3,737	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. China didn't sign that agreement. It's also not impossible for them to get lasers to focus on the moon. So, this isn't unfeasible. __________________

03-21-2008, 05:11 PM	#27
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. You said the same thing in your private message as you said in your public message. I simply said the same thing in my public message as I did in my private message. Is that seriously an issue for you? I didn't even say what you said in your message, I just said "Like I said in my response to your PM etc" yeesh.

03-21-2008, 05:12 PM	#28
JKPolk tool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: satan Age: 37 Posts: 3,737	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. It wouldn't cause every other country to throw a fit. It would cause a country who cared to take it to the UN forum. Ooh, threatening. Scary. But that's all that could happen. __________________

03-21-2008, 05:15 PM	#30
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. That seems pretty prejudicial of chit-chat.

03-21-2008, 05:31 PM	#33
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. Depending on the manner in which they tried to project the image onto the moon, I'm not exactly sure they could pick which countries could or couldn't see it. The moon's pretty far away. If you put an image on it large enough to actually -see- from Earth, I'd imagine everyone who can actually see it from their hemisphere would be able to see it.

03-21-2008, 05:39 PM	#35
Tokzic FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: TGB Age: 34 Posts: 6,878	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. just judging by the fact that they have a "sorry it didn't work" video online and it hasn't even been night yet, i think this is completely fake __________________ ~very popular guitar streamer~ Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

03-22-2008, 07:54 AM	#36
bluguerrilla FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 41 Posts: 3,966	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. Regardless of whether or not this is a joke (and I'm sure it is), the numbers make this impossible. The concept is using the law that the far field diffraction pattern of an illuminated screen will be the fourier transform of the screen. So, you take a fourier transform of your image (Rolling Rock logo), put it on a small screen, shine a laser through it towards the moon, on the moon shows up a fourier transform of the fourier transform of the logo (which is just a reversed version of the logo, so you have to reverse the image to begin with). I'm sure many people have seen this work with laser pointers, etc. There is, however, no way this would work because the power required is unfeasible. __________________

03-22-2008, 02:45 PM	#39
JKPolk tool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: satan Age: 37 Posts: 3,737	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. The power required wouldn't be any more than that needed to fire the new Naval Rail Gun, and while exorbitant it's not impossible. __________________

03-22-2008, 08:06 PM	#40
Misa_Amane FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 119	Re: Beer, sex, and lasers. & i only opened this because it said beer. mmmm...

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