TWG 189: Funnygurl VS T-Force Rivalry GAME THREAD

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by 123kappa3

why doesnt wolf kill cop here?

Because I've been borderline inactive and trying to play the UTR card as to not draw attention until I got a red result, as best as I can explain my thought process with what I did.

[inDheart]

wolves cannot, through the mechanics of the game at least, know who the watcher is last night, because they used their extra kill n1

if they don't have their ninja action available (i.e., they used it n1) or they assigned it to the "wrong" wolf in pregame, then they can't do anything to the cop because the watcher should pretty much always target the claimed cop and see what happens to them (whether that's a kill or a roleblock), and then assuming wolves can't find the watcher, we lynch who the watcher reports on

using ninja on one of the two n1 kills feels likely to me to not get owned

[Funnygurl555]

Vote Count

Hateandhatred - 1 (_Zenith_)

[inDheart]

actually assigning it to the "wrong" wolf doesn't matter

it would have to be that the ninja actionw as burned already

[inDheart]

kappa's question is kind of a natural one to ask given that you had your claim out

didn't really seem like it fazed svaz

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by inDheart

kappa's question is kind of a natural one to ask given that you had your claim out

didn't really seem like it fazed svaz

I won't question the legitimacy of the questions/thoughts, but I can only explain my own perspective here.

[DaBackpack]

no one's counterclaimed so it seems legit

we technically still don't know if there's a Miller alive since idk if the Miller flips miller or just VT

that said a red check is like 66% to be on a wolf so it still seems like our best shot

[123kappa3]

H&H does seem like a likely wolf. But, if we are scared about H&H being miller we could just go on DBP. I think DBP is a wolve but, my reasoning seems like it could be poor town play. I still think DBP being wolve based on what ive seen is likely more likely then anything else at this point. (I also thnik Xel sucks and made this harder then it had to be for whatever reason).

[DaBackpack]

the amount of "I think dbp is a top wolf" today despite the cop literally having a red check is pretty suspicious honestly

it reads like a potential diversion or a setup to protect hnh

[DaBackpack]

also I know I said that T-Force vote might be good in this situation but given that we have a red check I don't see the utility of introducing a potential fuckup at the moment

[123kappa3]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

the amount of "I think dbp is a top wolf" today despite the cop literally having a red check is pretty suspicious honestly

it reads like a potential diversion or a setup to protect hnh

But if we are in mylo doesnt that mean we lose if we misslynch again. Miller is a thing that should at least be discussed.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

the amount of "I think dbp is a top wolf" today despite the cop literally having a red check is pretty suspicious honestly

it reads like a potential diversion or a setup to protect hnh

thanks for soft confing the cop?

the metatext around lynching means it's 67% incorrect to lynch you today anyway

why don't you want people to talk about worlds?

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by inDheart

thanks for soft confing the cop?

the metatext around lynching means it's 67% incorrect to lynch you today anyway

why don't you want people to talk about worlds?

"soft confing" the cop what??? nobody has counterclaimed and it's my operating assumption

It's not that talking about worlds is bad, it's that if three-four people all say the same thing it looks like a diversionary tactic

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by 123kappa3

H&H does seem like a likely wolf. But, if we are scared about H&H being miller we could just go on DBP. I think DBP is a wolve but, my reasoning seems like it could be poor town play. I still think DBP being wolve based on what ive seen is likely more likely then anything else at this point. (I also thnik Xel sucks and made this harder then it had to be for whatever reason).

this post specifically

[Funnygurl555]

Clarification

We are in MYLO; however, votes aren't locked in. You can switch your votes around however you want until phase end or if insta is reached.

Also, vote T-Force

[inDheart]

i mean, if you're somehow town then this is a fucking hilarious game to have after the one where you screamed about town throwing after you died, where i can just go search your posts and find seemingly 30x the insight and natural game curiosity in a single day than anything you've done here

i'd love to know why xel's bigpost was so egregious and how not having time to explain it outweighed your silent reading of everyone else that you're claiming you did in that like, hour span

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by inDheart

i'd love to know why xel's bigpost was so egregious and how not having time to explain it outweighed your silent reading of everyone else that you're claiming you did in that like, hour span

I just read through Xel's big post again because it's been mentioned several times now after the fact, and I had a lot of doubt because the structure is not his style in the slightest form but his comments are purely and objectively him, which is not indicative of his alignment. You never see Xel do this from the countless times I've played with him and the comments he makes about people is okay because it's him, but the tone is not right at all. I had and still have my suspicions towards Xel.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I just read through Xel's big post again because it's been mentioned several times now after the fact, and I had a lot of doubt because the structure is not his style in the slightest form but his comments are purely and objectively him, which is not indicative of his alignment. You never see Xel do this from the countless times I've played with him and the comments he makes about people is okay because it's him, but the tone is not right at all. I had and still have my suspicions towards Xel.

you know he's dead and flipped town right

just to be sure, you're saying it's the tone that he never does? can you pick out something(s) particular that feel way different? i can't tell what you're saying isn't in range for him

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by inDheart

i mean, if you're somehow town then this is a fucking hilarious game to have after the one where you screamed about town throwing after you died, where i can just go search your posts and find seemingly 30x the insight and natural game curiosity in a single day than anything you've done here

i'd love to know why xel's bigpost was so egregious and how not having time to explain it outweighed your silent reading of everyone else that you're claiming you did in that like, hour span

because xelnya was the most important person to talk about given my headspace???

Xel CLAIMED to start from the top of the game and read forward. He even gave reads on fucking Charu so we know this is true. He goes page-by-page which is a super bad look because it absolves him of providing holistic analyses. THE POST IS ALMOST ENTIRELY REACTIVE TO OTHER POSTS, THERE WAS HARDLY ANY SYNTHESIS OR HOLISTIC ANALYSIS. He replied to whatever the fuck he felt like.

All of that is fine if you detect a progression in his reads, since he was supposedly "starting from scratch " But there's no development!! His only wolf reads are reads he carried the entire time!! So what was the fucking point of doing a time-sequence analysis if every wolf read you have is retroactively justified post hoc? Why structure your reads in a time sequence and not actually EVOLVE unless you're using the time sequence as a way time artificially inflate your post??? That's what I didn't have time to say after reading that post.

what specifically about hnh are you so focused on? there's one recurring scumtell I've seen but based on current circumstances am not going to bring it up before he gets here

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

because xelnya was the most important person to talk about given my headspace???

Xel CLAIMED to start from the top of the game and read forward. He even gave reads on fucking Charu so we know this is true. He goes page-by-page which is a super bad look because it absolves him of providing holistic analyses. THE POST IS ALMOST ENTIRELY REACTIVE TO OTHER POSTS, THERE WAS HARDLY ANY SYNTHESIS OR HOLISTIC ANALYSIS. He replied to whatever the fuck he felt like.

All of that is fine if you detect a progression in his reads, since he was supposedly "starting from scratch " But there's no development!! His only wolf reads are reads he carried the entire time!! So what was the fucking point of doing a time-sequence analysis if every wolf read you have is retroactively justified post hoc? Why structure your reads in a time sequence and not actually EVOLVE unless you're using the time sequence as a way time artificially inflate your post??? That's what I didn't have time to say after reading that post.

what specifically about hnh are you so focused on? there's one recurring scumtell I've seen but based on current circumstances am not going to bring it up before he gets here

have you ever been happy with a xel bigpost in your life. i think he's near always picked and chosen what he wants to respond to

also he didn't "claim" to be "starting from scratch" anywhere, a reread doesn't imply a reset. you expecting meaningful time series data from d0 implies anything important happened on d0 as well

like, let's talk about grand twgabout for another catch-up example (he was wolf there) - after the fact i could go back and read his catch-up and thought it was more jokey and jabby than content-heavy, and so i thought i could try and read him on fluff/content divide there, but nah he just rolled town for a few games after that and it didn't work out because i couldn't really identify differences

(besides the turbo where i got him to sub into a wolf team that seemed dead from rand, but that may as well be a non-game, and don't recall him trying ot make a post like this)

also in iso it looks to me like he's posting thoughts while he compiles his bigpost, since i doubt he writes that all in the gap of time between posts, so of course he can reach back for observations he's making as he goes. this wasn't something i noticed at the time, probably because thread started moving faster so he could readily get more lost in the shuffle

and like, yes, i hate my decision to vote him in the end which is like part being a coward and part needing an immediate counter to the cop claim

i think seeing how his wolf reads come out in the end ignores the progressions he has to get to town on other people, like myself and you, so even if he winds up in the same place it's shoring up his confidence on other players. he definitely didn't have a stated read on me prior, and the way i read the "..." and "i'm not sure how i feel about this" suggests a divide in his read on you too

he does spend time identifying contradictions in kappa's posts, unless that's not the kind of higher-order thinking you're looking for; also there's two midway stops with a couple reads within the time series so there was at least stock taken at three points

like you don't need to lie and tell me things aren't there that are there and vice-versa, just say they aren't worth anything. i guess the word "almost" is doing a hell of a job in your all caps. as reactions go it just seems like you really hate time series

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and re: h&h, maybe i won't give away your tell if we really don't want to talk about it yet, but another aspect is a game-wide focus thing, being that i was told off looking at him 2 or 3 times and he's attracted few votes ever, even just for pressure