TWG 207: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

[Hakulyte]

ps: No lynch doesn't imply we shouldn't figure out who's town/scum. It's just night actions logistics.

I'm doing this because I want to get a feel of everyone's intentions while playing this game. I'm playing this like everyone rolled VT and I want to see who I can read. The night phase is just bonus points.

I hope people respond to me like they're VTs to avoid PR hunting too obviously.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Why is your priority not making me town read you ? There's no point to create conflict over me being wrong if you're town.

No lynch is the best play for town here btw. It's not even an option fmpov.

Priority is prodding and getting people to interact, not worrying about my own hide.

I prodded Arp because I knew based on pregame I could and they'd play my file as intended. We got more from it than that, or at least I did, but you can interpret that for yourself.

[MixMasterLar]

I'm sorry do I lack guts as town?

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

throw ya dick!!

You can't just keep claiming your pro pressure every game and then think that's actual pressure

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

ps: No lynch doesn't imply we shouldn't figure out who's town/scum. It's just night actions logistics.

I'm doing this because I want to get a feel of everyone's intentions while playing this game. I'm playing this like everyone rolled VT and I want to see who I can read. The night phase is just bonus points.

I hope people respond to me like they're VTs to avoid PR hunting too obviously.

I don't understand how you can suss out intentions without voting and I know there isn't going to be a way to hold player's accountable for their actions without hanging someone

If we're going to let night actions determine the game I could just go dip right now and check in a week if I won or not, like what way to play the game is that?

Acting like everyone is VT also rubs me the wrong way but it's not worth launching into at the moment

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Priority is prodding and getting people to interact, not worrying about my own hide.

Ok, but if others want to prod you then what ? Do you not see the problem ? It's supposed to be a two-way street.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I'm sorry do I lack guts as town?

Nah, I'm saying it's a guts feeling on my side.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I don't understand how you can suss out intentions without voting and I know there isn't going to be a way to hold player's accountable for their actions without hanging someone

This is not a regular game. You're playing minesweeper right now. There's mines everywhere. You're gonna need to play formal and friendly. That's why I want to priorize townies and let night phase solve the rest.

We need transparency to understand who's town while avoiding to share information about who's a PR. The game can literally end tonight if this is not taken seriously.

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

- “No Lynch” is ON, but only IF the Jailor is alive. Also, until the jailor is removed from the game, lynches MUST be insta. "Having the most votes" will not result in a lynch.

This is incredibly important because we want town to guarantee that Millium does not get insta'd by accident.

Town can randomly insta Millium and lose. This won't happen with no lynch.
The vigi can randomly shoot Millium and lose.
Scum can randomly NK Millium and win.

This stuff needs to be mechanically optimized.

I understand if people don't want to read the OP, but we have to play around the OP. It's not just roles, it's tweaked roles with specific rules on top of it.

[MixMasterLar]

I think my issue with this plan is that you can't find any prioritize townies when you have no way to variety, or even test, their sincerity. The daily vote is the tried-and-true way to do so

I understand the Merlin is in the game and that's scary but it seems that your plan around this is to just have everyone try to "find" town doing the day with no real way to do so and then try to resolve everything doing night phases, in which the Merlin is still in danger like before and the only real difference is that we've lost agency as town to find each other easier.

It sucks that we could insta one player and just flat out lose but the solve is that the player that rolled that role will just have to play optimally and hope friendly PRs find/protect them. The solve can't be to play less of the game

[MixMasterLar]

Damn autocorrect really janking up my style

[Hateandhatred]

(OOC)

Heads up everyone!

I'm heading out for the day to attend my nephew's birthday. I will likely be back tonight, but in the meantime, Sunfan will be large and in charge. Should anything requiring host involvement happen, he will be taking care of that.

Have fun!

[Arp!]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I prodded Arp because I knew based on pregame I could and they'd play my file as intended. We got more from it than that, or at least I did, but you can interpret that for yourself.

so what you're saying is I got played twice in two games

and it's still the first day of the second game

wowzers

[MixMasterLar]

Arp, talk to me

[Arp!]

sure! how are you this morning?

[ToonE156]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

XelNya wolf. Too comfy, anime gifs, I'm sensing more confidence than nihilism. Clearly this can only mean one thing. Also, he talked about me. Paranoia peak.

anime is the biggest red flag

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Arp!

sure! how are you this morning?

Tired, didn't sleep super well, car is still in shop and it's aggravating

What do you think of Haku's plan?

Originally Posted by ToonE156

anime is the biggest red flag

You'd know about that I imagine

[Arp!]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Tired, didn't sleep super well, car is still in shop and it's aggravating

awh :c

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

What do you think of Haku's plan?

not sure!

there could be some merit to waiting until the second or third day to instalynch, but like you said earlier, it's hard to gauge player intentions without the vote. I'm also kinda paranoid about millium getting voted out immediately, but the probability of that happening is slim enough that I'd personally be okay with voting, at least for now

there are also 11 people, which is considerably more than in previous games where we were willing to vote on the first day. that might give us an extra attempt or two? iunno, someone can fact check me there

[MixMasterLar]

Did you....ask for a fact checker to see if 11 is a higher number then 9?

[Arp!]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Arp! Awfully town. It doesn't matter if not town, he tried. I like that. Thanks for trying!

tried what? is that a good thing?

(also, they/them please! thanks <3)

[Arp!]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Did you....ask for a fact checker to see if 11 is a higher number then 9?

nonono, I just wasn't sure if more players = more attempts necessarily, since there are more wolves as well (not to mention the special roles that occasionally result in someone getting booted)

[Arp!]

also, the previous two games had 9 players? I thought it was 7. oops

[MixMasterLar]

I'm sure SunFan is viewing this with all the math in his head right now dying inside but I'll give the layman's answer and say yeah, we have more phases

Keep in mind there is very little chance we can all agree/get the initial engagement needed to insta d1, or even d2 for that matter. Even with a vigi kill, I don't think this is going to be a quick game

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Arp!

also, the previous two games had 9 players? I thought it was 7. oops

Waa it 7
I'm probably wrong on that

[Arp!]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Keep in mind there is very little chance we can all agree/get the initial engagement needed to insta d1, or even d2 for that matter. Even with a vigi kill, I don't think this is going to be a quick game

oh yeah, good point

in that case, I agree that it would make sense to at least try in the first few phases, because the votes can still give us information