Avmisses on replays

**rushyrulz** · 10-26-2010, 10:08 PM

Where's Xelius when you need him? I realize this is a bug that won't be fixed til probably way later, but urgh, it's almost as annoying as avmisses themselves.

**woker-X** · 10-26-2010, 11:01 PM

That and earned credits limit >.>

**badman7772** · 10-26-2010, 11:09 PM

I don't see it happening anytime soon. It's complicated to even get the avmiss-free code or something (which is already complicated as it is).

**TC_Halogen** · 10-26-2010, 11:09 PM

I don't think it's hard to fix, I'm pretty sure you'd just have to change the version of the ffrReplay.swf to accommodate for the fix of average-misses (i.e. not use an old version of the engine).

**devonin** · 10-26-2010, 11:09 PM

This isn't a bug. It's exactly known why it does that, and there are actually a couple reasons to want to leave it, but if nothing else, be aware that we know it does, and why it does.

**TC_Halogen** · 10-26-2010, 11:37 PM

devonin is right - the av-miss replays actually serve as a visual anti-cheat as well. That's a huge reason to keep the engine.

Would it be possible to have two separate engine loaders, leaving the members with the fixed one and keeping the partially "broken" one?

**rushyrulz** · 10-27-2010, 10:11 AM

I think it's crap that we're keeping replays broken just as a preventative measure when there could be other ways to detect cheating. You can't AAA any decent 10+ without avmisses wrecking the replay, and that effects a greater part of FFR than the cheaters. ESPECIALLY when it's not a hard fix.

**TC_Halogen** · 10-27-2010, 11:13 AM

I'll say the same thing I say to everyone else - if you can't fix it yourself, stop whining about it. It's already been addressed by an administrator and it may get fixed in the future.

MrRubix · 10-27-2010, 11:22 AM

Halogen you assume everyone has access to the files or something. Many of these fixes aren't hard, but it's not like anyone but the admins can do anything about this, here. Plenty of people have the capability to fix this stuff.

I still maintain there should be an option to watch a replay in both avmiss and non-avmiss format.

**rushyrulz** · 10-27-2010, 11:30 AM

So nobody's allowed to make a bug report/suggestion without having coding/programming skills? Sorry, didn't know that that was how this forum was run... you can go around to all the threads not made by a site admin and tell them that they can't complain/suggest anything anymore.

The point of this thread wasn't to bicker, it was to resurface a problem now that things are actually getting done around here. By "saying the same thing you say to everyone else" you're kind of killing the concept of a bug report forum by enacting a rubix-type attitude in saying basically 'shut up, learn your **** and come talk to me.' It's a good philosophy in some instances. This is not one of them.

/thread

MrRubix · 10-27-2010, 11:41 AM

Again, this has always been my main gripe with FFR:

1. Problem exists, or feature is desired
2. Suggestions made
3. "We've got everything under control, be patient -- we have guys working on it"
4. Time passes, nothing happens or materializes
5. Complaining ensues
6. "Stop complaining guys, again, just be patient. This stuff is hard. Let's see you do better!"

If you don't want people to continue to complain, then be honest about what you've worked on/what you are working on/whether or not you know how to actually perform the fix or are simply too lazy to do the work. And if you fall into the latter categories, you either need more staff or more talent.

**darkshark** · 10-27-2010, 11:48 AM

I'll actually have to agree with rushy on this, if any time is a good time to complain/suggest, it would be now...before the staff begins to get lazy again.

**Zageron** · 10-27-2010, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRubix

Again, this has always been my main gripe with FFR:

1. Problem exists, or feature is desired
2. Suggestions made
3. "We've got everything under control, be patient -- we have guys working on it"
4. Time passes, nothing happens or materializes
5. Complaining ensues
6. "Stop complaining guys, again, just be patient. This stuff is hard. Let's see you do better!"

If you don't want people to continue to complain, then be honest about what you've worked on/what you are working on/whether or not you know how to actually perform the fix or are simply too lazy to do the work. And if you fall into the latter categories, you either need more staff or more talent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkshark

I'll actually have to agree with rushy on this, if any time is a good time to complain/suggest, it would be now...before the staff begins to get lazy again.

Pretty much both of these. Being that FFR is no longer a business, I'd like to see a more open approach to how features are written/improved. (Without releasing the code completely)

**bmah** · 10-27-2010, 01:52 PM

I'm slightly surprised Halogen said what he said. The last thing you should do is to tune out your patrons when the same complaint/issue is being brought up. It's lip service acknowledgment that often leads us nowhere.

It also gets me thinking of some of the other issues that should be addressed (and some of these are already addressed in other custom engines) such as the control over song beginning and ending (beginning: not requiring 2 seconds of silence; end: not requiring the song to end only when the last arrow has been hit), manual syncing (a la KBO), etc.

**rushyrulz** · 10-27-2010, 02:28 PM

I think that Halogen was just a bit steamed about the argument in "Change log" last night.

MrRubix · 10-27-2010, 02:52 PM

One of these days I might just make my own site just to show these mofos how it's done properly

Seriously though, the way FFR runs its staff operations has always boggled me. It's so backwards and lazy.

Izzy · 10-27-2010, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRubix

One of these days I might just make my own site just to show these mofos how it's done properly

Seriously though, the way FFR runs its staff operations has always boggled me. It's so backwards and lazy.

Can I help?

**aperson** · 10-28-2010, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRubix

One of these days I might just make my own site just to show these mofos how it's done properly

Seriously though, the way FFR runs its staff operations has always boggled me. It's so backwards and lazy.

Well then quit talking about it and do it.

**rushyrulz** · 10-27-2010, 03:50 PM

Can I watch?

**Sprite-** · 10-28-2010, 09:52 PM

I would like to see that. Go for it.

10-26-2010, 10:08 PM	#1
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Avmisses on replays Where's Xelius when you need him? I realize this is a bug that won't be fixed til probably way later, but urgh, it's almost as annoying as avmisses themselves. __________________

10-26-2010, 11:01 PM	#2
woker-X .... :.. .:. :: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,031	Re: Avmisses on replays That and earned credits limit >.>

10-26-2010, 11:09 PM	#3
badman7772 It happens for a reason. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Age: 34 Posts: 5,622	Re: Avmisses on replays I don't see it happening anytime soon. It's complicated to even get the avmiss-free code or something (which is already complicated as it is). __________________ like, giggity or something?

10-26-2010, 11:09 PM	#4
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Avmisses on replays I don't think it's hard to fix, I'm pretty sure you'd just have to change the version of the ffrReplay.swf to accommodate for the fix of average-misses (i.e. not use an old version of the engine).

10-26-2010, 11:09 PM	#5
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Avmisses on replays This isn't a bug. It's exactly known why it does that, and there are actually a couple reasons to want to leave it, but if nothing else, be aware that we know it does, and why it does.

10-26-2010, 11:37 PM	#6
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Avmisses on replays devonin is right - the av-miss replays actually serve as a visual anti-cheat as well. That's a huge reason to keep the engine. Would it be possible to have two separate engine loaders, leaving the members with the fixed one and keeping the partially "broken" one?

10-27-2010, 10:11 AM	#7
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Avmisses on replays I think it's crap that we're keeping replays broken just as a preventative measure when there could be other ways to detect cheating. You can't AAA any decent 10+ without avmisses wrecking the replay, and that effects a greater part of FFR than the cheaters. ESPECIALLY when it's not a hard fix. __________________

10-27-2010, 11:13 AM	#8
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Avmisses on replays I'll say the same thing I say to everyone else - if you can't fix it yourself, stop whining about it. It's already been addressed by an administrator and it may get fixed in the future.

10-27-2010, 11:22 AM	#9
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: Avmisses on replays Halogen you assume everyone has access to the files or something. Many of these fixes aren't hard, but it's not like anyone but the admins can do anything about this, here. Plenty of people have the capability to fix this stuff. I still maintain there should be an option to watch a replay in both avmiss and non-avmiss format. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

10-27-2010, 11:30 AM	#10
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Avmisses on replays So nobody's allowed to make a bug report/suggestion without having coding/programming skills? Sorry, didn't know that that was how this forum was run... you can go around to all the threads not made by a site admin and tell them that they can't complain/suggest anything anymore. The point of this thread wasn't to bicker, it was to resurface a problem now that things are actually getting done around here. By "saying the same thing you say to everyone else" you're kind of killing the concept of a bug report forum by enacting a rubix-type attitude in saying basically 'shut up, learn your **** and come talk to me.' It's a good philosophy in some instances. This is not one of them. /thread __________________

10-27-2010, 11:41 AM	#11
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: Avmisses on replays Again, this has always been my main gripe with FFR: 1. Problem exists, or feature is desired 2. Suggestions made 3. "We've got everything under control, be patient -- we have guys working on it" 4. Time passes, nothing happens or materializes 5. Complaining ensues 6. "Stop complaining guys, again, just be patient. This stuff is hard. Let's see you do better!" If you don't want people to continue to complain, then be honest about what you've worked on/what you are working on/whether or not you know how to actually perform the fix or are simply too lazy to do the work. And if you fall into the latter categories, you either need more staff or more talent. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

10-27-2010, 11:48 AM	#12
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: Avmisses on replays I'll actually have to agree with rushy on this, if any time is a good time to complain/suggest, it would be now...before the staff begins to get lazy again.

10-27-2010, 01:52 PM	#14
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 36 Posts: 8,448	Re: Avmisses on replays I'm slightly surprised Halogen said what he said. The last thing you should do is to tune out your patrons when the same complaint/issue is being brought up. It's lip service acknowledgment that often leads us nowhere. It also gets me thinking of some of the other issues that should be addressed (and some of these are already addressed in other custom engines) such as the control over song beginning and ending (beginning: not requiring 2 seconds of silence; end: not requiring the song to end only when the last arrow has been hit), manual syncing (a la KBO), etc.

10-27-2010, 02:28 PM	#15
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Avmisses on replays I think that Halogen was just a bit steamed about the argument in "Change log" last night. __________________

10-27-2010, 02:52 PM	#16
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: Avmisses on replays One of these days I might just make my own site just to show these mofos how it's done properly Seriously though, the way FFR runs its staff operations has always boggled me. It's so backwards and lazy. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

10-27-2010, 03:50 PM	#19
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Avmisses on replays Can I watch? __________________

10-28-2010, 09:52 PM	#20
Sprite- HAVE ME WITH VODKA Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Long Island, New York Age: 35 Posts: 7,316	Re: Avmisses on replays I would like to see that. Go for it.

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