FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame - Page 9

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 04-20-2011, 03:56 PM

That gap in the long sonata trill is always what messed me up.

**bmah** · 04-20-2011, 04:07 PM

With long trills, I always try to sightread it, making ever-so-slight adjustments as necessary. For some reason, visually inspecting the trills seem to be the best method for me.

**TC_Halogen** · 04-20-2011, 04:11 PM

I have success visually reading it, but those small gaps are very difficult to catch sometimes. At a lower speed mod, the gap in Sonata Quasi is actually somewhat noticeable. The problem is readjusting back to full speed after accounting for the gap.

**igotrhythm** · 04-20-2011, 06:07 PM

Ah, so slow down just a little bit when the long trill changes colors. Probably why I'm dumping averages in there now. As for the first one, I can combo, but not without dumping maybe 4 goods most of the time due to the transition after averaging 3 coming out of the first runningman section.

**DossarLX ODI** · 04-20-2011, 06:28 PM

lmfao that picture of the trill in Sonata is hilarious

Also, did a major update on the sorting

LJRoX · 04-20-2011, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qqwref

floating hour

here are the 32nd bursts (nonmirrored, and not counting the lone 32nd triplets, there are a lot of those). Every other frame is a little lighter so you can see exactly how the intervals are.

1st one, just a roll but make sure to hit it properly:

2nd one, two trills, pretty tricky:

3rd one, fast jack to slightly slower weird pattern, then a trill:

last one, just two minitrills, but be careful:

sonata quasi una fantasia
here are the two 24th trills.

1st one, not too bad but the framer placements are a bit tricky

2nd one, you suck xandertrax

xandershit fucking sucks

**MaxGhost** · 04-21-2011, 11:46 AM

Any tips on a strategy to take on jumptrills? By that I mean stuff like the ending of K8107 or Scythe of 13

**igotrhythm** · 04-21-2011, 08:54 PM

LOL. Scythe of 13 is mostly 190 bpm 8th jump jacks, but the real danger is the lone 16th note after the transition into each one, so it's easy to get off beat.

As for K8107, it works kind of like Angel Island's "rainbow trills" in that once you really get into the song, you'll naturally hit the jumps a bit harder. I think the hardest part is balancing keeping up with the trills and watching/listening for the jumps.

**MaxGhost** · 04-21-2011, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igotrhythm

I think the hardest part is balancing keeping up with the trills and watching/listening for the jumps.

Exactly.

**bmah** · 04-21-2011, 09:10 PM

Well for jumptrills, if the song has a good rhythm, and the jumps are on even 4th beats, best advice is to listen to the rhythm and go with that. Once you get a rhythm, you can compartmentalize how many 16th notes you need to hit in between jumps and stuff...then timing becomes easier since it makes more sense when you have a rhythm.

As for uneven trills, as I said before, eyeball it/sightread it and don't rely on the music. e.g. It's Only Natural

**Xandertrax** · 04-21-2011, 10:01 PM

less qq, just learn to trill. At that speed the color change does nothing to how you should be trilling, everyone just gets mental blocks at the color change. Osnap bpm tricks in cmod. Plus the midi changes ever so slightly, wouldn't you rather be trilling on-time than offbeat?

LJRoX · 04-21-2011, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xandertrax

less qq, just learn to trill. At that speed the color change does nothing to how you should be trilling, everyone just gets mental blocks at the color change. Osnap bpm tricks in cmod. Plus the midi changes ever so slightly, wouldn't you rather be trilling on-time than offbeat?

You're better off not making any simfiles. The horrors of playing through any of your songs: holy shit. I bet you couldn't trill better than I could.

**Xandertrax** · 04-21-2011, 10:13 PM

Then don't play them! Voila. No more horrors.

LJRoX · 04-21-2011, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xandertrax

Then don't play them! Voila. No more horrors.

You're a stain on everyone's levelranks.

The worst
shit
ever.

**DossarLX ODI** · 04-21-2011, 10:19 PM

*Ahem*

WINTER WIND ETUDE

**qqwref** · 04-21-2011, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xandertrax

just learn to trill. At that speed the color change does nothing to how you should be trilling, everyone just gets mental blocks at the color change.

It's not mental blocks, it's just hard to randomly take a break while doing what should be a solid trill. You shouldn't be telling people to "learn to trill" though, you aren't even remotely close to the AAA on this file, which means you have no idea how hard it is to hit accurately.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xandertrax

Plus the midi changes ever so slightly, wouldn't you rather be trilling on-time than offbeat?

You're saying, because whoever made the midi couldn't make a solid speed trill, you should step it with all the mistakes included? It might be more accurate, but it's certainly not more fun. People do have to play these files, y'know. Why not just smash on the piano for two minutes and then "accurately" step that?

**bmah** · 04-21-2011, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

*Ahem*

WINTER WIND ETUDE

wasn't me, ask Tass :x

**TC_Halogen** · 04-21-2011, 10:28 PM

@qq: Sorry, but accurate rhythms are infinitely more important. And I'm saying this within reasonable bounds, so a response like "oh you want 64th walls of blahblahblahblah" is irrelevant.

It's not Xandertrax's fault that it made an unintentional 3-frame gap. People can bring the point about fun factor, but if every file was entirely fun and tolerable, then the game would be linear and boring. I may not like Xandertrax's files, but I'm not going to sit here and tell him not to step anymore simfiles, especially if I don't have files in game or have absolutely no charting experience.

It's a shame, I went almost four months without making a response like this, but I think it's unfair to him that he's being targeted.

P.S. DeVouR sucks and you are officially banned from using songs with bursts...

...oh wait you stepped Coactive [OmS], never mind

**psychoangel691** · 04-21-2011, 10:28 PM

I love the sonata quasi trill and can hit it no problem.

**Xandertrax** · 04-21-2011, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qqwref

It's not mental blocks, it's just hard to randomly take a break while doing what should be a solid trill. You shouldn't be telling people to "learn to trill" though, you aren't even remotely close to the AAA on this file, which means you have no idea how hard it is to hit accurately.

You're saying, because whoever made the midi couldn't make a solid speed trill, you should step it with all the mistakes included? It might be more accurate, but it's certainly not more fun. People do have to play these files, y'know.

You don't need to take a break. It's a fast enough speed to do one constant trill. Just close your eyes and trill with the music. I switch to 1 hand there, it's easier to do a constant trill with 1 hand. Also, personally, I would rather have the notes be 100% accurate than offbeat, which is why they switch like that. It's frustrating to hear a disparity between your keytaps and the music.

Quote:

Why not just smash on the piano for two minutes and then "accurately" step that?

Why don't I step this next? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvELcETEtQg

And WWE is such a dump. That file sucked, again, no clue how it got past the judges.

04-20-2011, 03:56 PM	#161
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame That gap in the long sonata trill is always what messed me up.

04-20-2011, 04:07 PM	#162
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame With long trills, I always try to sightread it, making ever-so-slight adjustments as necessary. For some reason, visually inspecting the trills seem to be the best method for me.

04-20-2011, 04:11 PM	#163
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame I have success visually reading it, but those small gaps are very difficult to catch sometimes. At a lower speed mod, the gap in Sonata Quasi is actually somewhat noticeable. The problem is readjusting back to full speed after accounting for the gap.

04-21-2011, 11:46 AM	#167
MaxGhost FFR Veteran Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Age: 30 Posts: 2,141	Re: FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame Any tips on a strategy to take on jumptrills? By that I mean stuff like the ending of K8107 or Scythe of 13

04-21-2011, 09:10 PM	#170
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame Well for jumptrills, if the song has a good rhythm, and the jumps are on even 4th beats, best advice is to listen to the rhythm and go with that. Once you get a rhythm, you can compartmentalize how many 16th notes you need to hit in between jumps and stuff...then timing becomes easier since it makes more sense when you have a rhythm. As for uneven trills, as I said before, eyeball it/sightread it and don't rely on the music. e.g. It's Only Natural

04-21-2011, 10:01 PM	#171
Xandertrax om nom nom Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: CT/VT Age: 34 Posts: 1,495	Re: FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame less qq, just learn to trill. At that speed the color change does nothing to how you should be trilling, everyone just gets mental blocks at the color change. Osnap bpm tricks in cmod. Plus the midi changes ever so slightly, wouldn't you rather be trilling on-time than offbeat?

04-21-2011, 10:13 PM	#173
Xandertrax om nom nom Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: CT/VT Age: 34 Posts: 1,495	Re: FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame Then don't play them! Voila. No more horrors.

04-21-2011, 10:28 PM	#178
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: FFR Tips for AAA'ing tough sections of files ingame @qq: Sorry, but accurate rhythms are infinitely more important. And I'm saying this within reasonable bounds, so a response like "oh you want 64th walls of blahblahblahblah" is irrelevant. It's not Xandertrax's fault that it made an unintentional 3-frame gap. People can bring the point about fun factor, but if every file was entirely fun and tolerable, then the game would be linear and boring. I may not like Xandertrax's files, but I'm not going to sit here and tell him not to step anymore simfiles, especially if I don't have files in game or have absolutely no charting experience. It's a shame, I went almost four months without making a response like this, but I think it's unfair to him that he's being targeted. P.S. DeVouR sucks and you are officially banned from using songs with bursts... ...oh wait you stepped Coactive [OmS], never mind Last edited by TC_Halogen; 04-21-2011 at 10:28 PM.. Reason: Post before me.

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