My older step-cousin just got sentenced

[L.B.D.D]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

hi did u call me

welcome

[Coolboyrulez0]

"if they're old enough to pee, they're old enough for me." - gandhi 2013

[Arkuski]

Originally Posted by devonin

Because everybody whose brain attracts them to something besides heterosexual adults of the opposite sex to the one they were born with made a completely free and open choice to feel that way.

Every day I choose not to jerk off to humans under the age of 18

[devonin]

Originally Posted by Arkuski

Every day I choose not to jerk off to humans under the age of 18

Every day you don't have the desire to. I don't either. Some people do. By the standards of our society, those people should be treated as ill not criminals.

[adlp]

Originally Posted by devonin

Because everybody whose brain attracts them to something besides heterosexual adults of the opposite sex to the one they were born with made a completely free and open choice to feel that way.

devonin would be the one to defend pedophilia lmao

there's a difference between an inclination and an action. some people are very prone to alcoholism but that doesnt mean they cant help but drown themselves with alcohol everyday

[devonin]

Yeah, because classifying somebody as mentally ill is totally me having their back.

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by adlp

devonin would be the one to defend pedophilia lmao

there's a difference between an inclination and an action. some people are very prone to alcoholism but that doesnt mean they cant help but drown themselves with alcohol everyday

I'm with devo on this though. Pedophilia (and any kind of philia) is simply a sexual preference, not a choice. Why do you like women of your age? I'm guessing you just do. Same with pedophilia or any other sexual attraction. It's not something you can choose, you are just attracted to something. That said however, having the feelings and acting on them (ie abusing a child) are two different things entirely. I doubt any of us condones abuse.

[devonin]

Of course I don't condone abuse. My dad and step-mother both worked their careers with the Children's Aid Society, my mother was a social worker who now works for Red Cross. I know how bad abuse can get better than almost anybody who wasn't abused themselves. (And of course, can't understand it AT ALL compared to people who've been abused themselves)

I also think that as a society, we really ought to start making a distinction between pedophilia and ephebophilia, and treat the one as much more serious than the other. I think we ought to look at methods of treatment and coping strategies over criminalizing.

I think that there can be pedophiles who never, at any point in their life, threaten the safety of an actual child, and while the risk that they -might- is serious and something that society should be concerned about. This is a world where even most religions that oppose homosexuality say it's totally morally fine to be homosexual as long as you don't actually -do- anything homosexual, but pedophiles are essentially not even presumed -going to be guilty- but are presumed -guilty already-

It's a tough question, because the safety of kids is really something you shouldn't take lightly in any way, but if someone hasn't actually done anything to harm anybody yet, the fact that they -might- seems like a pretty uncomfortable reason to prosecute them.

[L.B.D.D]

there was a good post on r/morbidreality about somebody who's always been attracted to really young girls

the poster acknowledged to realizing his sexual desires (fetish if you'd call it) but he's been afraid & depressed most of his life because he knew what he thought of as sexual & arousing is illegal & frowned upon

i guess for some people it's actual sexual preference and not by choice

ofc i'm sure a lot of pedophiles are bonkers but it would suck if you're sexually aroused by something illegal (cos u cant rly get off to it)

[devonin]

Of course this is also a world where a 17 year old guy with a 15 year old girlfriend can turn 18 and immediately be arrested for statutory rape and be forced to become a registered sex offender for the rest of their life, so clearly the whole system is a little shaky.

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by devonin

Of course I don't condone abuse. My dad and step-mother both worked their careers with the Children's Aid Society, my mother was a social worker who now works for Red Cross. I know how bad abuse can get better than almost anybody who wasn't abused themselves. (And of course, can't understand it AT ALL compared to people who've been abused themselves)

I didn't mean to imply you'd actually even consider condoning abuse lol. It was more or less for comedic effect, as if it's not obvious enough already that that's not something to condone at all.

[devonin]

Well here's a question for the thread:

Do you think the expression of a sexual preference like pedophilia or bestiality or any other preference involving things that can't consent is inherently impossible to express without doing something wrong?

Given things like the Oculus Rift and Kinect, we're clearly not too far away from pretty realistic and immersive VR. This comes down to the debate over things like whether cartoon or animated child porn is actually child porn and/or harmful illegal since no actual children were involved in its production, and thus weren't actually harmed in its production or enjoyment.

The obvious concern is that if you made things like that legal and totally okay, that all kinds of people, now indulging these otherwise illegal things artificially would become more prone to want to go and do them out in the world (And a million studies of violent video games not making people violent argue against that)

So what if we said "Okay people, here's the crazy sex simulator program with all the force feedback bells and whistles. You can do ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING in here, and it's not illegal, it's not criminal, go nuts. BUT if you go out and do any of those things to actual people, summary execution." do you think that would work? Do you think that being able to have as close to real interaction with their fetish of choice as technology can make it would start to churn out a bunch of actual sex offenders? Or do you think being able to exercise that particular fetish whenever they wanted would reduce the chance they felt they had go to do something highly illegal for the same feeling?

[L.B.D.D]

you can't answer that

because VR does both things

1) introduce people to previously "illegal" sexual arousal they were too afraid to check out before (gateway)
2) satisfy people's twisted or whatever sexual fantasies (control)

hehhh

[Arkuski]

You guys do realize masturbation isn't a protected right. People shouldn't have a social obligation to support whatever sexual fantasies you have.

[omega_grunt666]

Completely tasteless and disturbing, yes. Wrong? Only as wrong and virtually slaughtering people (and children) in video games. And people seem pretty OK with that at this point.

People are going to be doing these things regardless of it being legal or not, personally I would prefer to see a shift towards mental health aspect of it all. Instead of needlessly wasting lives and tax dollars on incarcerating people over victim-less "crimes". There always needs to be a big divide between virtual activities and real life (look at the modern video game culture and violent crime for example) and people with issues distinguishing these things, or who can't understand the harm their causing need professional help, not a free apartment and food for X months so they can "think about what they have done".

That being said, I in no way advocate those activities in real life or VR, but since there is no way to stop them in any meaningful or effective way why even try. The effort is better spent educating people and improving overall quality of life regardless of random preferences/fetishes the individual ultimately never had control over. We have a big physical health focus these days, but almost no equivalent for mental well being.

(In response to devonins VR comment, wasn't entirely clear here)

[Dynam0]

So glad they take dangerous sex offenders like this guy off the streets...

[choof]

are we really justifying pedophilia

[Coolboyrulez0]

also remember pedophilia =/= hebephilia =/= ephebophilia

[omega_grunt666]

Originally Posted by choof

are we really justifying pedophilia

Clearly, yes, go grab the nearest toddler.


For real though, people can't control what turns them on, they can however control their actions and seek help if they feel the urge to do anything illegal/immoral. No one here is going to defend someone for propagating CP but its still important to play devils advocate. Otherwise where is the discussion? Pedo BAD, CP BAD, yes good. /thread

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by choof

are we really justifying pedophilia

Just as much as teleiophilia (the sexual preference for adults) or any other sexual preference. The feelings aren't something someone can control and any psychiatrist would tell you they come across unusual preferences daily. The act of abusing children is still an abysmal act though, so don't mistake this as justifying or condoning abuse.