TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

[meno_rocks123]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

the latent thing here is that he knows we are both human and isn't sure yet who is the seer

No. Despite you pulling up another thread where you made a post that was quite similar to this one (and where you were VT), your play this game has been shady as fuck. This game is also significantly different than most, so I don't believe for a second that you'd just chuck out a standardized method that has significantly less relevance in this game while everyone else is trying to meta their way into a reasonable strategy to gain an upper hand. Even if you were just playing a quick hypocop strategy, it was in poor form and your play since has not supported the idea that you're actually human.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

look, i don't care if i die because it's night one and it isn't the worst thing in the world since mike spewed about vanilla wolves, but what i say now will ring true really strongly in postgame when i quote a couple of your posts talking about how you are trying to find more intention and complexity than the situation merits, especially here over wordchoice that doesn't seem at all unreasonable for description when i'm posting stream of thought without restraint

On the small chance that we're both just humans ripping each other to shreds, we're both going to eat shit for this post.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

because the intention was to just throw it out there and see if something stuck, i never intended to die because of it, but if i did die unexpectedly it might mean something. it's multiplying the power of being a vanillager, that is why you do it.

I'm getting mixed signals here. A person (lito in the example you used earlier) is seer hunt cleared as town when the scumteam kills someone (you) with a fake peek on them (in an attempt to hunt the seer).
How did you plan on SHC anyone if you didn't intend to die?

What did you hope to gain out of it in the day phase? What could "stick"? There's no way you could have "died unexpectedly" lol it's either you intended to SHC lito (your pregious claim) by dying or you didnt intend to die (your claim now) and it was never supposed to SHC anyone.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Is that an alternative fact rofl

no its not quite the same. because i can describe every part of the thought process without restraint and i dont feel bad about doing so. i feel bad because it was taken in a different direction than i expected, simply because i don't want to be the reason my team loses a day, but i don't feel bad about my choices because i understand why i made them when i did.

it's a very new player thing to press on someone for making a bad play and find any minute flaws or problems with them, and ignore the players who are riding easy based off that. you forget that stupidity or dumb plays are not the equivalent of lying or malign intent, and you tunnel those players.

malign intent usually involves lies, and lies that you are uncomfortable with. the nature of that edifice is not communication and a continued willingness to be open but avoiding the lie at all costs and then making it a bigger lie only when necessary. the two paths follow a very different course upon investigation.

[freakysnots]

ok thats all i'll be back in a few hours where can i see a vote count?

[meno_rocks123]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Hey Shado help me out here.

Tell me if these two post are close to what V did this game

Similar, but different. That was about as vanilla as a game can get and this is borderline mystery game. It's comparing apples to oranges as far as baseline strategies such as hypocop are concerned. to his credit, V did turn out to be human that game. However, for all we know, he picked that one out because he turned out to be human.

[meno_rocks123]

Unofficially, I'm pretty sure it's v-3, mml-2, mike-1.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I'm getting mixed signals here. A person (lito in the example you used earlier) is seer hunt cleared as town when the scumteam kills someone (you) with a fake peek on them (in an attempt to hunt the seer).
How did you plan on SHC anyone if you didn't intend to die?

What did you hope to gain out of it in the day phase? What could "stick"? There's no way you could have "died unexpectedly" lol it's either you intended to SHC lito (your pregious claim) by dying or you didnt intend to die (your claim now) and it was never supposed to SHC anyone.

okay, let me link you a game with SHC, and you can see that it is something that like half of the players in the game do. then you will understand that it is about taking a shot in the dark (what all reason should suggest to you that is what i did) and not some complex multi-layered post with malign intent where i am some mastermind (what your pyschology's paranoia is triggering)

it was literally the first thread i found in the forum, and on the first page someone seered someone else without any other points made: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...malcy-1297423/

[meno_rocks123]

Hey, freaky, care to weigh in on everything that's been happening so far rather than just chucking a vote at V? Love the support, but would be nice to see you putting some thought into your play.

[MixMasterLar]

V what I got from that past thread was a joking tone that could have easily gone either way considering everybody was still shitvoting like asshats at the time. Here we vbasically skipped our shitposting stage before you even made a post so the atmosphere was different and your claim doesnt come off no where near the same.

If you wanna say that tone shift isnt your fault then that could be a fair point although your floundering makes me feel like I'm not reading too much into it

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

ok thats all i'll be back in a few hours where can i see a vote count?

It's bad manners to worry about votecount before you give opinions

[freakysnots]

im just a rude person! wolf probably hit a green where their ally is a wolf

[meno_rocks123]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

okay, let me link you a game with SHC, and you can see that it is something that like half of the players in the game do. then you will understand that it is about taking a shot in the dark (what all reason should suggest to you that is what i did) and not some complex multi-layered post with malign intent where i am some mastermind (what your pyschology's paranoia is triggering)

it was figuratively the first thread i found in the forum, and on the first page someone seered someone else without any other points made: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...malcy-1297423/

Reunion: A Return to Normalcy

A game so vanilla (aside from the fact that there are 2 1/2 seers) that it's literally called a return to normalcy. It's also a game where the seers have no protection against wolves, so it's up to the humans to figure out a way to do it themselves with obfuscation. This is not the case here.

[meno_rocks123]

Going to bed. See you fine folks in 8-10 hours.

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

im just a rude person! wolf probably hit a green where their ally is a wolf

and i probably think this is the case so i'm going to out that my ally was indheart. wolves most likely know this so they now have to guess my adversary for a free night kill

also i'm clear

[ShadoWolfe]

Lol FFS man, I'm not pushing you for making a bad play or asking you what a hypocop is. I'm pushing you for contradictions that you are continuously failing to address. You've changed your reasoning for making the bad play twice now, and revert to trying to define things for me when uo against a wall. This isn't my paranoia, it's literally you changing your story and then wanting me to stop asking you to explain the contradicting points. I'm not tunneling in here; I've agreed with you and paused pressing you to prod Raeko, ask Tokz for clarification, and side with you in the lil Meno dispute.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Lol FFS man, I'm not pushing you for making a bad play or asking you what a hypocop is. I'm pushing you for contradictions that you are continuously failing to address. You've changed your reasoning for making the bad play twice now, and revert to trying to define things for me when uo against a wall. This isn't my paranoia, it's literally you changing your story and then wanting me to stop asking you to explain the contradicting points. I'm not tunneling in here; I've agreed with you and paused pressing you to prod Raeko, ask Tokz for clarification, and side with you in the lil Meno dispute.

i haven;t changed my story???

...???

[Vendetta21]

what contradictions?

[Vendetta21]

what have i failed to address?

[Vendetta21]

have i made the responsibility for the bad play someone other than my own? i have questioned the people quesitoning my play but i haven't ever deflected that i was the one who made it???

[Vendetta21]

i pretty much realized it didn't go down as e when lito counterclaimed and started pushing me and immediately started doing damage control when i had a whiff that the push was going to go towards me