Stepping Stones of Stepmania (Submissions Open!)

[rCaliberGX]

Originally Posted by mi40

grace notes are good now since the song is low bpm, gj on that

for edit 16th streams should be totally fine

and yes runningmen stream should be simplified in heavy only

the trill @ 64.66s on ONI is fine as 24ths, the trill @ 87.5s on oni should be three 24th notes and the trill @ 89s should be 24ths not 32nds
i also noticed you didn't step the drums correctly from 65s ~ 66.45s on both charts, fix this!



sexyye

Thanks. As I'm typing this now, the folder is being uploaded to be sent. V3.333 huehuehue

EDIT: Sent.

[TheSilentLord]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

Guren no yumiya - accepted with fixes
This file does a pretty good job conveying the song's feel while being easy, but i want you to check your consistency on the jump usage. Some sounds could have been better accented. Having an harder chart for this would be ideal. I like what you did and with a few touchups it should be good to go.

I was kinda liking this one, however mi40 already rejected it based on the song choice. Looking at his review he didnt even test the file as his comments were just "song is bad and the vocals annoying".

Well, it's his pack.

[mi40]

i reviewed & playtested the chart but i reallllly wasnt feeling it (at all)
your other song that was similar (anime op/ed) was good though
we'll see (when i'm back in the us i'll have my irl friends playtest your file)

[TheSilentLord]

Please dont take any offense from my comment. I dont actually care that much if the song makes it into the pack. My goal is to get some feedback so i can improve. Im not even saying that the chart was any good. It just struck me to get it rejected without any clue how it could have been better.

[mi40]

no offense taken dont worry, i didnt take the time to point out things in your guren no yumiya file because well, i just dont think it's the right type of song for this pack (for example if somebody tried to send really crazy speed metal it's prob not for this pack)

[Mollocephalus]

whether or not it goes in the pack, we'll try to pinpoint what you can do to make the file better

[mi40]

yiss i guess i'll make a comprehensive review of guren no yumiya tonight or something

this is a virus (mollo) - accept w/ minor fix
(light)
- layer the jumps from 43s ~ 54s too mang
- little iffy on the 16th trill @ 62s, maybe you could step the vocal sample instead? idk man (you also didnt step 'the bomb' @ 63s, it sounds fun to hit)
- you also didnt step the vocals at the end but since you did it in heavy i guess its fine
(heavy)
- lmfao this is hard, put this as edit or oni
- 54s ~ 59s: the patterns are too left hand biased, maybe use up/down arrows as anchors instead of left arrow?
- 59s ~ 63.6s: omg the patterns.. use something like [34]1[34]1 instead of [34]1[24]1 for the first part and use [24]3[24]1 instead of [14]3[14]2 for the second part or something
- 97s ~ 105s: hands & quads are too much mang, tone this down a lot more

symbolic (kraezymann) - accept w/ minor fixes
- really nice job on the file
- only problem i have is pattern choice for some parts.. specifically parts that go like [12]2[12] and [34]3[34] (ex. 4.25 seconds in, 35.25s, 56.9s..)
- 60.8s ~ 61.77s: the part that has 6 down notes is really unfriendly, considering changing over some notes so that instead of hitting 6 down notes the player can instead hit 3 down notes and 3 up notes or something instead
asides from that sort of pattern issue, really slick file, captures the ddr feel really nicely

guren no yumiya (thesilentlord) - more charts needed
the problem with songs like this is that when you weave both vocal + background instruments into steps, it gets really messy and hard to tell what's going on
here's what i think..
keep the current chart and copy/move it to light, and make the mentioned changes into heavy

- beginning ~ 15s: this is fine as is
- 15s ~ 25.37s: the vocals are quieter than the latter parts, and the background instruments arent that loud either, i recommend just stepping vocals with single notes and holds here (you can keep the jumps that you've already put though)
- 25.37s ~ 36s: step the vocals still, but be bold with the layering and also include the occasional snare/drum sounds
- 36s and on: the file gets progressively louder so take that into consideration...
- 36s ~ 47s: step most of the sounds you hear, vocals AND instruments, don't leave sounds out (ex. 46s ~ 47s you leave out cool drumsounds)
- 47.14s ~ 57s: after the exciting section you can give the player a break, step the cool instrumental (violin?) sounds in the background with lax holds and the orchestral vocals (not the main singer)
- 57s ~ end: you miss sounds like the roll @ 76.209s and cool drumsounds like the ones @ 76.5s , take your time and step those things as well
- 77s ~ end: step up your layering here, add more jumps and make the file get harder by this point since we're nearing the end
- 82s ~ 85.6s: step all the guitar sounds and add holds for the guitar notes as well
- 87s: missed drumsounds here as well... step these please, 87.67s: also missed a lot of guitar sounds, step these too man! 24ths or something to finish off the song

[Kraezymann]

Originally Posted by mi40

symbolic (kraezymann) - accept w/ minor fixes
- really nice job on the file
- only problem i have is pattern choice for some parts.. specifically parts that go like [12]2[12] and [34]3[34] (ex. 4.25 seconds in, 35.25s, 56.9s..)
- 60.8s ~ 61.77s: the part that has 6 down notes is really unfriendly, considering changing over some notes so that instead of hitting 6 down notes the player can instead hit 3 down notes and 3 up notes or something instead
asides from that sort of pattern issue, really slick file, captures the ddr feel really nicely

Okay. I'm taking Mollos idea and making a second chart, but I will fix up the current one and make it a light chart, while this new one will be a standard chart. Its harder, but all I did was try adding a bit more substance to it. I can see what Mollo was saying about the ending being a bit boring for the song. Its the climax but I only have 4th note jumps lol, so I'm working on that. I should have a finished file tonight I hope

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Xel: when it comes to easier files, it's better to use the simplest quantized rhythm, because newer players aren't quite accustomed to more complex rhythms.

I hadn't even thought of this.

Also, with the jump into hands for the heavy chart, would you prefer I change the hands to jumps, or try to change them to a pattern along the lines of say [34][123] sort of deal where it minijacks less than the say [14][134] it could be now?

It's a simple fix really either way, but I'd rather make sure I change it the correct way.

[TC_Halogen]

On a personal level, when it comes to jumps into triples, I like making sure that two of the three taps are repeated, because it's very easy for a player to understand and read.

--xx
xxx-

is a bit harder for a player to understand than:

--xx
-xxx

or

--xx
x-xx

So, to answer your question -- [14] to [134]:

x--x
x-xx

...is a pretty good choice for an easy chart. It might not be the most musically relevant pattern choice because it connects two notes at once, but it gives you the flexibility of being a bit more aggressive with your accents whenever it's needed.

[TheSilentLord]

Originally Posted by mi40

guren no yumiya (thesilentlord) - more charts needed
the problem with songs like this is that when you weave both vocal + background instruments into steps, it gets really messy and hard to tell what's going on
here's what i think..
keep the current chart and copy/move it to light, and make the mentioned changes into heavy

- beginning ~ 15s: this is fine as is
- 15s ~ 25.37s: the vocals are quieter than the latter parts, and the background instruments arent that loud either, i recommend just stepping vocals with single notes and holds here (you can keep the jumps that you've already put though)
- 25.37s ~ 36s: step the vocals still, but be bold with the layering and also include the occasional snare/drum sounds
- 36s and on: the file gets progressively louder so take that into consideration...
- 36s ~ 47s: step most of the sounds you hear, vocals AND instruments, don't leave sounds out (ex. 46s ~ 47s you leave out cool drumsounds)
- 47.14s ~ 57s: after the exciting section you can give the player a break, step the cool instrumental (violin?) sounds in the background with lax holds and the orchestral vocals (not the main singer)
- 57s ~ end: you miss sounds like the roll @ 76.209s and cool drumsounds like the ones @ 76.5s , take your time and step those things as well
- 77s ~ end: step up your layering here, add more jumps and make the file get harder by this point since we're nearing the end
- 82s ~ 85.6s: step all the guitar sounds and add holds for the guitar notes as well
- 87s: missed drumsounds here as well... step these please, 87.67s: also missed a lot of guitar sounds, step these too man! 24ths or something to finish off the song

Thanks for the advice, this kind of feedback gives me room for improvement. You are right about the song being quite repetitive, but I like it anyways so I want to make a fun file out of it. It might be that I won't submit a v2 based on the previous reasoning but that'll be left to see.

[mi40]

it won't be repetitive if you choose to step certain sounds in certain sections instead of having both the vocals AND the main melody mashed in together throughout the song

also the song gets progressively louder & more exciting so if you adhere to that increasing factor of difficulty & excitement it could potentially make for a good file

revise the file with what mollo/i said and it should be fine

[Mollocephalus]

XelNya, i realize doubling the bpm will be one hell of a ordeal at this point but i'm positive it would work better that way, i'm really not a fan of streams with fake 32nds and overall makes the chart look sloppier (at least it's my personal taste)

add in the suggested fixes and i'm pretty sure it will do well

[d4u7211]

Just submitted this:

[rCaliberGX]

Anything else I can improve on in Mirror Mirror?

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

XelNya, i realize doubling the bpm will be one hell of a ordeal at this point but i'm positive it would work better that way, i'm really not a fan of streams with fake 32nds and overall makes the chart look sloppier (at least it's my personal taste)

add in the suggested fixes and i'm pretty sure it will do well

It is not that big of an ordeal. If I can't just double it in Stepmania easily I'll just translate it over to a new .SM that has it doubled. It would only take a maximum of 30 minutes per chart.

The change to me made no sense because of my own level of skill. Halogen however, has explained fantastically, a lower player, whom we are catering to, would find the chart's reading easier with less colors, which makes that change make so much sense I would be silly not to change it. I will certainly change it for the resubmission.

I just need confirmation if what Mi40 requested was for me to remove the hands, or change them all to be the pattern of having two notes in common. I'd rather not waste your time by resubmitting it numerous times because I am not reading requests properly.

[mi40]

for parts with that have a 16th jump before or after a hand should be changed into 2 jumps

ex. 34.3s: i know what you're layering here but since you're layering both vocal + instruments at the same time i feel like a jump into a hand @ 190bpm 8th or 95bpm 16ths is kinda a burden
57.266s and 58.52s should be hand + single note, not hand + jump imo
62.16s should be jump + single note + hand
67.11s should be single note + hand
ending hand could be a quad lol


also if you dont mind i myself would like to add in a chart that's harder than standard but easier than heavy

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by mi40

for parts with that have a 16th jump before or after a hand should be changed into 2 jumps

ex. 34.3s: i know what you're layering here but since you're layering both vocal + instruments at the same time i feel like a jump into a hand @ 190bpm 8th or 95bpm 16ths is kinda a burden
57.266s and 58.52s should be hand + single note, not hand + jump imo
62.16s should be jump + single note + hand
67.11s should be single note + hand
ending hand could be a quad lol


also if you dont mind i myself would like to add in a chart that's harder than standard but easier than heavy

That would be great. I'll try to get the BPM change done and modify what you have just mentioned and shoot it to you this evening.

Edit: Actually took way less time than I thought. I need to play it a few times to be sure everything is how it should be, but I should be able to send it soon.

I also have moved my Standard down to Light for you.

[mi40]

cool cool

[XelNya]

Assuming I am not plagued with stupidity, it should be in the inbox and hopefully most if not all the requested fixes are there. Looking forward to seeing your chart for the song for sure.