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[Chrissi]

Actually it's marked as 14.

Also, what does "UN rights violation" mean, in respect to an age of consent? I don't quite get that.

[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by Lone--Wanderer

I see pixels.

Your sight is your only sense that lies; color blind people see the world no less correctly than you do. After all, how do YOU know your sight registers colors as it REALLY is? Maybe you see everything inverted; maybe space is actually white and the sun is actually blue. Heck, the world might not even have color at all. Or everything might be different shades of hot pink and lime green.

See, mortal, your brain makes up and fills in the gaps of a lot of what you see, so you see porn, and I see [incorrectly?] colored pixels. We're both right.

Yay.

Our sight does not "lie" to us. The same way our touch isn't lying to us when we feel something that isn't there, or fail to feel something that is there. Our senses are designed for us to survive and procreate. Nothing more, nothing less. We don't see the world around us accurately - we see it in a way that's useful to our surviving and procreating. As such, you can't play the accuracy card. Nothing we see is accurate. And the feeling we get from any particular colour is irrelevant - the sun will always be yellow, which means it radiates light waves at a wavelength of approximately 575 nm. We interpret that as yellow, because it is useful for us to be able to see the sun. It's useful for us to have colour vision. What the particular colours make us feel isn't particularly important, just that they are different from each other. That's the only important part.

You are being far too technical and failing at it. It would be a better argument to say that image files are only files stored on a hard disk, and all they really are, are many many tiny switches set to "on" or "off" positions, which are translated through your computer, operating system, and specific program to be porn. This means that our computers should be illegal, or at least the programs we use to view porn. After all, they interpret certain files as porn, which can sometimes be illegal. My alarm clock is never going to interpret a series of on-off switches as porn.

[devonin]

Originally Posted by Chrissi

Actually it's marked as 14.

Also, what does "UN rights violation" mean, in respect to an age of consent? I don't quite get that.

Probably that the laws there are either nonexistant (And thus what the UN would term human rights abuses are taking place [ie. genital mutilation, frequent sodomy and rape of children under 10 etc]) Or that the laws are somehow in violation of UN dictated rules and regulations regarding such laws.

[Lone--Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Chrissi

Our sight does not "lie" to us. The same way our touch isn't lying to us when we feel something that isn't there, or fail to feel something that is there. Our senses are designed for us to survive and procreate. Nothing more, nothing less. We don't see the world around us accurately - we see it in a way that's useful to our surviving and procreating. As such, you can't play the accuracy card. Nothing we see is accurate. And the feeling we get from any particular colour is irrelevant - the sun will always be yellow, which means it radiates light waves at a wavelength of approximately 575 nm. We interpret that as yellow, because it is useful for us to be able to see the sun. It's useful for us to have colour vision. What the particular colours make us feel isn't particularly important, just that they are different from each other. That's the only important part.

You are being far too technical and failing at it. It would be a better argument to say that image files are only files stored on a hard disk, and all they really are, are many many tiny switches set to "on" or "off" positions, which are translated through your computer, operating system, and specific program to be porn. This means that our computers should be illegal, or at least the programs we use to view porn. After all, they interpret certain files as porn, which can sometimes be illegal. My alarm clock is never going to interpret a series of on-off switches as porn.

That works too.

But really. Your sight only sees what it can pick up, so [let's go back to when we were seven-year-olds and afraid of the dark] what if there really IS a monster floating above your head in the middle of the night when you cannot see it? You could feel it if you reached out to touch it [assuming it didn't fly / float away or something], you might hear it, maybe even smell it, but you could not see it. You know it is there, but your eyes can't always confirm what your other senses can.

So why trust sight all the time?



Back on topic. Lolicon is fine with me [and, I must say, from the little I've seen of it, the artists are quite good with hands and skin texture, which is praiseworthy in it's own right]. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Simple as that.

[Melone Marshe]

Got it here, though I suppose the map could be out of date.

And yeah, seems some places no age is set because there is no law, whether it be due to violating some civil right or just no reason at all.

[Lone--Wanderer]

Originally Posted by devonin

So you parse every single image you are ever exposed to as a collection of pixels and never draw any further meaning from them? how are you participating in a discussion when the text you see in front of you isn't actually words with meaning, but are instead a meaningless collection of pixels?

I was stating that I saw pixels, not that that was ALL I saw.



But good point there.

[Aa_Doodaa]

If people like child porn, they want to see child porn. If child porn is illegal, they will find a way around it. This is their way of getting around watching real children that are posing illegally. People can choose to look at these kind things or not, so if they want to, I don't see why they should not be able to. No one is getting hurt over drawn pictures. No one seems to have a problem with Hentai, and there is absolutely nothing different between Lolikon and Hentai.

[Aa_Doodaa]

Originally Posted by Garthhh

I believe it is definitely pedophilia. I think it should be illegal around the world, so then we could start throwing the artists and fans in prison. It will be a great day when the world is rid of anything and everything depicting child porn.

The artists are doing what they like to do, and if it is harmful, it's only harmful to those people who choose to look at those artists' work. Throwing them in prison would be like throwing the director of a horror movie in prison because the movie gave some little kids who chose to watch the movie nightmares. It is completely by decision that a person be effected by lolikon.