Dance Dance Revolution VS. In The Groove

[iamDMAS]

Which one is better? You decide.

My vote=Dance Dance Revolution

Why? It has better songs.

[meno_rocks123]

itg
hands down, there is no comparison.

[iamDMAS]

Originally Posted by meno_rocks123

itg
hands down, there is no comparison.

Cause it's hard? Good, good.

Hey people! I need more opinions!

[GoPDemon]

Itg. The pads are better. The screen is bigger and higher resolution. The arrows make more sense. You can play custom songs which defeats any ddr song argument.

[iamDMAS]

Originally Posted by GoPDemon

Itg. The pads are better. The screen is bigger and higher resolution. The arrows make more sense. You can play custom songs which defeats any ddr song argument.

At arcades of ITG2 and after(though I've never been there, but word gets around)

I'm guessing that the next person on this poll says DDR though!

[Gundam-Dude]

Why would you make this thread when you clearly knew this thread existed and you even bumped it up.

But it's quite obvious that ITG is better than DDR for reasons that have already been explained and covered in the other thread.

[iamDMAS]

Originally Posted by Gundam-Dude

Why would you make this thread when you clearly knew this thread existed and you even bumped it up.

But it's quite obvious that ITG is better than DDR for reasons that have already been explained and covered in the other thread.

I didn't check before I posted the thread. *block*

[razorsoft]

DDR is more fun and has been around a while, but ITG is amazing with resolution and graphics... Hard decision but i'd say DDR.

[iamDMAS]

At least somebody likes me!

[Psychotik]

I'm gonna ****ing break this thread, thx to TC_Halogen.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Time to de-rail a thread that has been already quieted down.

Now normally, I wouldn't mind a person that says "I hate ITG because of this...'' but the facts that are being used against ITG are wrong.

SO, let's play, shall we?

ITG


Quote:
*If you miss about 3-5 notes, you lose you life (game over)

- In DDR, if you hold a full life bar for a while and then suddenly miss, the lifebar eats you alive, it can potentially kill you by missing only 4 notes in a row. ITG on the other hand has a specific metric that tells the game exactly how much life to take away per arrow on each judge. ITG 1, DDR 0.



Quote:
*Terrible songs

- Totally opinionated, J-Pop sucks IMO, sorry, you cannot use that. ITG 1, DDR 0.


Quote:
*Difficulty increase that looks impossible (i.e Hard is like Jesus difficulty)

- Wrong. Hard difficulty in ITG is the equivalent to DDRs Heavy/Expert (wtf is it nowadays? They can't even keep a default heavy difficulty level? ITG 2, DDR 0) difficulties. The only difference is unlike DDR's attempt at being innovative using crappy double-stepping patterns, ITG tries to be different by making you do full-body turns, or spin gallops, etc. ITG 3, DDR 0.


Quote:
*DDR spinoff

- DDR was the base of things; ITG took DDR's base and made it better. And you can't say that ITG did everything bad since DDR X has "shock arrows" (the equivalent of mines). ITG 4, DDR 1 (gave a point to both).


Quote:
*I don't like using my hands.

- Then you don't like playing something that makes step-charts so much more fun, and physically tolling at the same time. Maybe you don't like hands, but the fact that it is available to do (AND take off) makes ITG win automatically. ITG 5, DDR 1.

DDR


Quote:
*Even balance of easy and hard songs

- Really? DDR's scale goes from 1 to 10, and ITG's scale goes from 1 to 13.

Potential response: "Just because ITG has a higher difficulty range doesn't make it an even balance."

Oh, but it does--every conventional Novice chart is a 1 on ITG, something that makes some songs not playable to very new players (a.k.a. all boss songs). Not only does ITG have a static novice difficulty, but also has a static minimum for Expert charts, all of which are ranked at LEAST a 9, but no lower. Balance is definitely in ITG, and the song lists between In The Groove 1 and 2 pump out at least 130 songs, which attains a nice balance seeing as how most are stepped fully on singles and doubles. ITG 5, DDR 1.


Quote:
*A game made by a decent company

Completely subjective, opinionated, and holds absolutely no relevance to the point. ITG 5, DDR 1.


Quote:
*You can miss a decent amount of notes, and regain health easily

Already been disproved in the ITG section of my rebuttal. Score stays the same.


Quote:
*Practicing is ideal on DDR. Not ITG.

What? What makes you not able to practice on ITG? The home version of ITG has a mode called "Practice Mode" where you can look measure by measure at each part of the song and then review it and master it, just like how DDR has training mode. Failed attempt at an argument.

Since THAT has been completely demolished, let me throw in my OWN mix of elements to refute for ITG.

*Custom Songs

In The Groove supports any custom song granted that you make steps for it, make the music file an .ogg, and in some cases, have your song under 2 minutes, which is the length of most DDR songs anyway. DDR on the other hand, requires you to bring a PS1 memory card to even consider playing edits on them, and that's only on SOME cabinets. ITG 6, DDR 1.

*Hackable

In The Groove hard drives can be manipulated to allow for the addition of stepcharts directly onto the hard drive. DDR? Not even close. You know what's even better? Some people want to get rid of DDR so much that they hack eliminate DDR from their drive and then throw In The Groove on it--they're desperate enough to play on terrible DDR cabinets. And even then, some people upgrade their machines just so they can get the good pads that ITG has. What? Did I just hear a triple whammy? Hacks? Upgrades? Better pads? ITG 9, DDR 1.

*Scriptable Nonstops/Marathons

This beats DDR on so many levels. Courses don't have to be a single mod (group) per song, you can have mods change anytime you want, granted you know how to do it. Take a look at this. Excessive? Sure. But this is made by one of the best course scripters in the world, and he makes courses to provide not only a visual challenge, but a mental challenge as well. ITG 10, DDR 1.

*Modifier selection

ITG beats DDR really badly here too. Other than speed mods (obviously), you can choose more than one mod in each group of mods. Unlike in DDR, you can choose Hidden/Sudden at the same time. You can choose Boost/Brake at the same time. Heck, you can even flip the targets and have two on top and two on bottom. Modifier manipulation in ITG is way more advanced than DDR is. ITG 11, DDR 1.

Well, ITG won the Dancing Game World Series in my eyes, score of 11 to 1 is pretty conclusive.

Let me throw a little bit more out there though, ITG has a very active community, even after the suit that Konami did to them, and that community is always creating stepcharts/courses and other content for the game. ITG modifying has become such a common art, and DDR players cannot experience that because there simply is not enough freedom. I think I posted enough for one day.

/thread

The end.

[iamDMAS]

Well, I'm still going with the early DDR versions, as they've got better songs.

[Psychotik]

Originally Posted by iamDMAS

Well, I'm still going with the early DDR versions, as they've got better songs.

But that's completely biased. It's like saying you're a boss and you don't want hire someone because of the colour of his/her skin.

[iamDMAS]

Originally Posted by Psychotik

But that's completely biased. It's like saying you're a boss and you don't want hire someone because of the colour of his/her skin.

You people are going to keep me up through the night.
But, everyone has different opinions, so you can't say that, cause I like DDR songs better.

[Psychotik]

Originally Posted by iamDMAS

You people are going to keep me up through the night.

Damn right.

But, everyone has different opinions, so you can't say that, cause I like DDR songs better.

You just proved my point. I can say that. Everyone has different opinions, which makes it biased. Thus, you can't say something is better based on bias.

[iamDMAS]

Originally Posted by Psychotik

Damn right.



You just proved my point. I can say that. Everyone has different opinions, which makes it biased. Thus, you can't say something is better based on bias.

OK now that's just wrong. Let other's post tomorrow. I'll be on the computer some other time next week, or week after. I'm tired.

[meno_rocks123]

Originally Posted by Psychotik

The end.

What I was referring to in my first post. Thanks for pulling it up.

Originally Posted by iamDMAS

Well, I'm still going with the early DDR versions, as they've got better songs.

bolded section means that you take your opinion as fact. bad

Originally Posted by iamDMAS

You people are going to keep me up through the night.
But, everyone has different opinions, so you can't say that, cause I like DDR songs better.

bolded section means you have your opinion and others are also entitled to their opinion. good

[Psychotik]

Originally Posted by iamDMAS

OK now that's just wrong. Let other's post tomorrow. I'll be on the computer some other time next week, or week after. I'm tired.

So now you think what I'm doing is wrong? Debating strongly against your beliefs is wrong? A good opponent is what makes a good debate. You couldn't think of anything to counter with so you had to come up with that excuse.

Originally Posted by meno_rocks123

What I was referring to in my first post. Thanks for pulling it up.

Just wanted to bring up the facts.

I am seriously suggesting that we sticky TC_Halogen's quote for future reference.

[Gundam-Dude]

Everyone has their tastes when it comes to music. DDR having better songs is completely subjective and from a biased point of view as previously mentioned because it's quite obvious that this is not 100% true. For example, Some people like Japanese Pop, others like generic Trance or Rock, etc. Remember, both games have song variety and are not simply comprised of only one genre of music.

The way in which you present your point as an absolute fact is quite idiotic of you and even more so simply ignoring people whom disagree with your statement. It's quite obvious that you don't like it when someone disagrees with you and you can not take simple criticism as shown in your other threads. Simply slapping an "I'm leaving this thread" message is not going to solve anything and is only going to stir up more drama for you because you fail to realize this.

If you continue to act the way you are, that's completely your choice. Disregard this post and its contents and take it as a pinch of salt as you've been doing up until this point. Either way, your point of view isn't correct in any way, no matter how much evidence you present in this situation.

[TC_Halogen]

Don't make me derail this thread with another ITG v. DDR lecture. I'll get MUCH more technical this time.

[Goldenwind]

They're both good in their own way.
DDR is closer to actual dancing, permitting freestyle. There are fewer arrows, however the pads take more pressure to activate. There are MANY crappy songs, but when your songlist is in the multi-hundreds, that's not really an issue.

ITG's steps follow the beat quite specifically. It'd be significantly more far-fetched to call ITG "dancing". There are more arrows, however the pads take little effort to activate, so you can have faster speeds and spam the pad more. There are fewer songs, however being able to use custom songs gives ITG infinite possibility.