The REAL Ultimate debate: Mac vs. PC

[jewpinthethird]

I built my own comp. I like it, I just need another harddrive so I can reformat....

[hobbsgoblin]

I recently got an ultra nifty deal off tigerdirect.com for a 200gb Seagate drive for 90 bucks. I usually go Westren Digital, because they rock, but 200 gigs was too much to pass up. Tiger direct has other good deals too, I've had good luck with them.

PS: macs suck a big, hairy, smelly, dirty, lopsided popsicle (I almost never post here so i dont know what will get me banned). macs are the bane of my existence. That and my POS lawnmower.

[Spectere]

Sorry I haven't been replying...I've been on vacation.

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

PS: macs suck a big, hairy, smelly, dirty, lopsided popsicle (I almost never post here so i dont know what will get me banned). macs are the bane of my existence. That and my POS lawnmower.

And you've probably never used one. Ignorant dumbass.

Originally Posted by NeoDarkHeart

ow, i'll admit, you DO see commercials for dell and compaq and like one other brand, but they suck, and they dont count, because they're pre-made systems. macs come with all the crap already in it, uncustomizable, and it sucks.

And that's any different from any "PC" manufacturer? At least I can replace the damn video card on my Mac. PowerMacs use AGP, PCI, USB, Firewire, IDE, and Serial ATA just like x86 systems do. What more do you want? It's not like Macs are built from the same architecture.

About 90% of the people posting in this thread need to get a clue. It's really a shame that it's impossible to actually talk intelligently about computers without people butting in: "HAY MAX SUK I HEARD THEY ONLY RUN @ 2.5 GHZ HUR HUR."

[Kenzya]

I don't like macs. My friend uses one and even he has complaints about such things as processor speeds and the like. I've used his but.. it was boring. I've used apples at my grammar school and imacs at my junior high. I just don't like them. They seem to be more towards people with talent than people who just want to download porn and play games. What gets me though is that I don't see 3rd party support for macs from people who I'd like to see it from.

Go PC.

[eVILPeeR]

Mac's are not gaming machines. They're meant more towards media, photography and graphic arts and stuff like that. That's what they are really good at. They're pretty decent for business work too, I guess.

PC's excel in the gaming industry, and other area's too. The PC has more variety and capability then a Macintosh, but it really depends on what you want to use a computer for.

Photography? Get a Mac.
Gamer? Get a PC.

[ringluver]

pall the way

[tnyhwk900]

I hate Macs, but that's probably because I'm not really into sucking at life. I mean, Macs can handle media fine, but so can PC's. PC's can do many other common things you would expect from a computer, like gaming, but Macs? No dice. Besides, you can easily customize PC's. I have no idea how LEGO built a comp in 45 seconds, but it's perfectly reasonable to build a PC in 15 minutes. I've done it. Granted, it was an old P2 system, but with an ATX mobo, so it's not that different from a modern PC. Another point: On a Mac, I always have the feeling I'm doing everything from the desktop, a feeling I hate. I like navigating through Windows Explorer to get things done. Also: What's the fucking deal with the white/clear scheme Mac's have going on that look like they were ripped out of the Zion control base from the Matrix? At least with PC's you get some customization, from the gigantic outerworldly towers from Alienware to the mini PC's from Shuttle to the normal beige box from, well, most any company. Point is, I just feel Macs need to understand people use computers for more than iMovie.

[neodarkmagicianking]

the only good thing about macs is that they don't get viruses and you don't have to worry about getting your Norton updated, even though my dad is a Mac Freak..i hate them. I might be typing on one now but my OWN computer is a PC. and for it I got 3D monopoly

[Xaimus]

HAY MAX SUK I HEARD THEY ONLY RUN @ 2.5 GHZ HUR HUR.

[djserwek]

Just so everyone out there knows off hand i own 3 macs and 2 PCs. The debate over which one is better simply can not be one by a single side. Both systems have their ups and downs. For example if you are into programming and playing games then the PC is for you. If you are into computer graphics such as web site design or making movies or anything art related then the mac is for you. They are both great systems it just depends on what you use your computer for. I plan to be majoring in computer graphic art so there fore i am more a Mac person, but my friend is a die har online gamer so he loves the PC. So in the end I see it as being a tie.

[TheTypist]

I have to admit: for their purposes of media and graphics, the newest of the Macs outdo PCs buy a lot.

But otherwise, MacinTRASHES are an abomination. They take the word "computer" and smother it in the dirt and grime of poor vision and implementation. I hate Macs.

[COBOL]

Mac kicks PC's ass...at media, but not much else

[hobbsgoblin]

Sorry to interrupt your fervent session of transvestite porn masturbation, but Ii need to enlighten you on a couple matters.

First, dont talk about things you dont know about

Asshole_licker123 wrote:
And you've probably never used one. Ignorant dumbass.

As a matter of fact I HAVE used one, extensively. My school has one, and a number of my friends have one (or three in some cases) and some of my relatives too. Ive toyed around with all of them, and guess what?? THEY ALL SUCK.

second, have YOU ever tried a mac?? Have you ever tried it compared to a PC?? let me share some experiances with you

I go over to one of my friends houses whose running panther or OS 10 or whatever the hell you mac people use. I turn the box on and instantly I'm bombarded with a legion of bright, artificially happy colors and bubbly, superfluous window decorations. I nearly passed out from the unprovoked guerilla attack on my senses. My head is still spinning. Once I managed to wrap my head around this neon themed carnival of a GUI, I failed to find any redeeming features in the system itself. The whole idea of "user friendly" is cruely mutilated on macs, they seem to be designed for the type of person who wears a helmet everywhere and isn't allowed near any sharp objects. The whole thing is designed as a fail safe to insure that I dont do anything the mac deems irresponsible. For instance, finding files. on a PC, to find a file, you go to my computer, then C: then wherever you savced the file. its not so simple on a mac. Finding anything is closer to an archeological dig, than searching for a file on you computer. You pick a section of your computer that seems plausible, and then begin the slow, tedious dig through layers and layers of crap. Of course the file is nowhere near there, its actually hidden deep inside the bowels of the mac (which it wont let you access because it assumes your not able avoid walking into walls let alone operate your computer, which actually may be true with some mac users) in a file called 13Qpf or something equally meaningless. All of this takes hours because the thing is SO DAMN SLOW. Which brings me to my next point, the nonsensical use and price of mac hardware. Volumes could be written on the subject. Entire textbooks. HAY MAX SUK I HEARD THEY ONLY RUN @ 2.5 GHZ HUR HUR. It's true! you pay like 2k for this processor that only runs at midrange speeds! A common excuse from mac users is "well it does what i want it to right?" yes, it does, BUT YOUR PAYING LIKE $5000 FOR THIS PIECE OF SHIT COMPUTER! Why is it so hard to accept that the comparny is CHEATING you, operating off your computer naivete? And then you cant even upgrade anything (except the video cardin some models as you pointed out), you have to buy a whole new fucking computer! And whats the mice? not only do the optical mice have a tracking rate of -2, they're all single click! I want my right click damnit! On to software. Aside from the fact that all computer games come out AT LEAST 6 six monthes after they do on pc (and then suck anyway) mac users have some serious delusions about software. Now I'm free to admit that some video and graphics programs work a little better on macs, thats what they're geared towards. But they work just fine on PC's too! why is this so hard to grasp? i have photoshop open on my pc right now! it is not a mac fucking only program! oh, and just yesterday, I edited some movie clips... ON MY PC! WOW! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?!

Well, I'm getting tired of owning your ass with my sword of indisputible reason, I think I'll go play a pc only game and laugh at your technical inferiority. Get a life and quit insulting people when you know you suck.

[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by Moogy

Originally Posted by aperson

Oh I see the 'I'm so cool' Linux people are here.

Ten bucks says none of them even know what the ls command does.

HUH? What the fuck kind of Linux user doesn't know what the ls command does? I bet anyone here who uses Linux knows what ls does -_-

I mean, really, who uses Linux and doesn't know how to use the simplest commands? Listing a directory? You can't SURVIVE in Linux without knowing that, you moron. Er, unless it's Mandrake or something. Then you just have to live with never installing another piece of software again if you can't use the command line.


Myself, I play with Linux and use Windows most of the time because Windows has games and programs from school that I must use. wine is complicated and always gives me errors. I've only been successful using it to run terragen. And it was slow.

If yuo don't know what ls does, you're not using Linux, you're looking at it.


And hobbsgoblin, I'd point out how many errors and inaccuracies you made in your post, but I'm too lazy. I'll just say this: you're an idiot. I'm not a fan of macs either, but nothing that you said was accurate. It was all crap, and you kept contradicting yourself.

[hobbsgoblin]

actually, please point them out. im interested. it seems you had a different experiance than me and i might have gotten the wrong impression. (and btw, I know what ls does, and i dont even use linux)

[hobbsgoblin]

and i had another point to make about mac's costomer service but i kept being asked to log in and it kept saying it was incorrect, and then my message got erased, so i just wont bother. Not that anyone cares anyway. Bye.

[Anticrombie0909]

Sorry for bumping, but I haven't been here for a while (I'll explain later) and I didnt' see this until now. But hobbsgoblin, your post just made me laugh out loud. Honestly. Was it true? Who cares? It was funny as fuck. Props to you.

[Xaimus]

ZOMBIE THREAD, couldn't let this pass.

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

I go over to one of my friends houses whose running panther or OS 10 or whatever the hell you mac people use. I turn the box on and instantly I'm bombarded with a legion of bright, artificially happy colors and bubbly, superfluous window decorations. I nearly passed out from the unprovoked guerilla attack on my senses. My head is still spinning.

While booting Windows will blind me with a disgusting rendition of an assy logo. This is no different from idiots who bash Windows XP because it has a "fisher price" interface, or morons who bash *NIX because "omg it has a command line wtf".

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

Once I managed to wrap my head around this neon themed carnival of a GUI, I failed to find any redeeming features in the system itself. The whole idea of "user friendly" is cruely mutilated on macs, they seem to be designed for the type of person who wears a helmet everywhere and isn't allowed near any sharp objects. The whole thing is designed as a fail safe to insure that I dont do anything the mac deems irresponsible.

Then there's Windows' default newbie control systems. Hidden file extensions, simplified ACLs for NTFS, folders that are inaccessible to everyone (including the administrator) because these folders are somehow important (System Restore...), wizards up the ass, &c. Yet, by default, users are Administrators. I would hope that people with a fully functioning brain would use limited accounts on a regular basis. To my knowledge, all *NIX systems do this, including OS X. Windows seems to be for those who can't live without a helmet; doing simple things like changing the ACL on a service is an ungodly process that even an experienced UNIX guy would scream at. The operating system places itself before the user. God forbid you ever have an application die and keep a file lock open, because you won't be able to modify that file in any way for the rest of the time the OS is active. At least if you log in as root on *NIX, you have TOTAL CONTROL.

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

For instance, finding files. on a PC, to find a file, you go to my computer, then C: then wherever you savced the file. its not so simple on a mac. Finding anything is closer to an archeological dig, than searching for a file on you computer. You pick a section of your computer that seems plausible, and then begin the slow, tedious dig through layers and layers of crap. Of course the file is nowhere near there, its actually hidden deep inside the bowels of the mac (which it wont let you access because it assumes your not able avoid walking into walls let alone operate your computer, which actually may be true with some mac users) in a file called 13Qpf or something equally meaningless.

What if you saved the file in a different drive? What if you aren't an asshole and use multiple partitions because you don't want to lose your personal data if the operating system dies and a complete reformatting of the system partition is necessary? C:\ isn't such a great answer to everything unless you've mounted other partitions on folders within C:\. Also, searching through C:\ searches through an assload of crap; it goes through Program Files, through WINDOWS, and so on.

I don't see what's so different about just searching from '/'. Hell, all of one's personal items should be under /home, anyway.

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

All of this takes hours because the thing is SO DAMN SLOW. Which brings me to my next point, the nonsensical use and price of mac hardware. Volumes could be written on the subject. Entire textbooks.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

HAY MAX SUK I HEARD THEY ONLY RUN @ 2.5 GHZ HUR HUR. It's true! you pay like 2k for this processor that only runs at midrange speeds!

Let's measure the speed of cars by their RPM.
The AMD Opteron *50 ranges from ~$400 to $2000 depending on if you'd want an SMP system/how many processors you'd want in the SMP system, and only runs around 2.4 GHz. I'd bet that Opterons would beat the shit out of just about every other x86 (and probably the G5 series) processor.

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

A common excuse from mac users is "well it does what i want it to right?" yes, it does, BUT YOUR PAYING LIKE $5000 FOR THIS PIECE OF (#$% COMPUTER! Why is it so hard to accept that the comparny is CHEATING you, operating off your computer naivete?

Same thing is done with Windows, IMO. People are too lazy to use anything else and are satisfied with what it does (regardless of how well it does it).

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

And then you cant even upgrade anything (except the video cardin some models as you pointed out), you have to buy a whole new #$#ing computer!

I haven't ever had hardware upgrade problems with Macs. I've had more problems when people ask me to upgrade their PCs because they purchased stupid POS cheapass prebuilt systems from Dell and eMachines.

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

And whats the mice? not only do the optical mice have a tracking rate of -2, they're all single click! I want my right click damnit!

... then get a mouse with two buttons?

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

On to software. Aside from the fact that all computer games come out AT LEAST 6 six monthes after they do on pc (and then suck anyway) mac users have some serious delusions about software.

Y'know, some people don't care about games.

Originally Posted by hobbsgoblin

Now I'm free to admit that some video and graphics programs work a little better on macs, thats what they're geared towards. But they work just fine on PC's too! why is this so hard to grasp? i have photoshop open on my pc right now! it is not a mac #$#ing only program! oh, and just yesterday, I edited some movie clips... ON MY PC! WOW! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT?!

Agreed.

I think I'll go play a pc only game and laugh at your technical inferiority. Get a life and quit insulting people when you know you suck.

I think I'll go use an operating system that gives me real freedom. Have fun with Windows, I'll stick with *NIX.

Something that bothers me is that people seem to believe that Windows is the only OS for PCs, clearly shown in your post, hobbsgoblin.

[Anticrombie0909]

I know hobbsgoblin in person, and to be frank, he hates Windows as much as you do. He wasn't promoting Windows, he was simply bashing the Mac.

Oh, and you have to give him the point about the games, though. I mean, Mac users just got UT2004, and only got 2003 a few months before that.

[ddrking133]

There are advantages and disadvantages with both.

The windows users need an extra 1 or 2 steps to complete an operation.
Mac has more shortcuts to make it easier and faster.
Windows 95/NT operating systems do not allow certain characters in file naming, such as ? < > / \ *.

Windows has more programs availible then the mac. 80% of the the microsoft programs are repeats but with different names. Pc's are not more powerful than macs. The PowerPC G4(developed by apple) has a big difference between the Intel processor.
Now look at these differences;

Intel 2.6 GHz Pentium 4- MTOPS-6,950
Apple Dual 1000MHz G$ power pc- MTOPS-27,000


i think macs are better for some things and pc's for other