TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD - Page 93

**Hakulyte** · 02-5-2017, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendetta21

oh yeah im pretty sure its hakulyte he took the bait yesterday

Did you catch up with the entire thread ?

meno_rocks123 · 02-5-2017, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

nagl @ not a good look

chaos wolf cannot turn someone green as Shado mentioned.

1x Chaos Wolf - Paints a target's Adversary a colour of their choice. Until next power usage, that player will cardflip that colour. Cardflips a colour of their choice, except green.

The chaos wolf can't be green, but nothing says they can't make someone else green. There's a chance that CW painted an ally green N1 and then never used their power again.

ShadoWolfe · 02-5-2017, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

nagl @ not a good look

chaos wolf cannot turn someone green as Shado mentioned.

I think there's a difference here. I was going over this in writing my thoughts, and I believe that chaos can turn someone green, but cannot change their own flip color to green.
I could be wrong, though. We might have to check with..
@Tokzic, can Chaos wolves use their power to change other players' colors green?

meno_rocks123 · 02-5-2017, 08:24 PM

And, despite the wolves being unable to target themselves for killings, I see no reason for wolves being unable to target each other with PRs.

**Hakulyte** · 02-5-2017, 08:27 PM

You could tinfoil the Janitor Wolf being a Chaos Wolf who turned himself pink, but there's like absolutely nothing going on with pink flips in this entire game.

You could tinfoil there's a grey Chaos Wolf or a Freeze Wolf, but if they were both wolves, I think V would have died by now because killing him before his final shot would be optimal play.

If it's 50/50 Town/Wolf, it's still following my scenario in my post.

The green flips cannot be chaos wolves. I guess xel could be a chaos wolf who flipped himself red, but seriously, that would be some next level bs.

Even with a Chaos Wolf in this game;

1.) He's already dead.
2.) I'm still voting Shado here because of how interactions/actions went overall.

**Hakulyte** · 02-5-2017, 08:29 PM

Well, I guess the Chaos Wolf could be alive, but he would be the final wolf.

ShadoWolfe · 02-5-2017, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by meno_rocks123

And, despite the wolves being unable to target themselves for killings, I see no reason for wolves being unable to target each other with PRs.

This is a fair estimate. I've been operating under the same assumption.

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Originally Posted by meno_rocks123

1x Chaos Wolf - Paints a target's Adversary a colour of their choice. Until next power usage, that player will cardflip that colour. Cardflips a colour of their choice, except green.

The chaos wolf can't be green, but nothing says they can't make someone else green. There's a chance that CW painted an ally green N1 and then never used their power again.

This is a definite possibility.
Of note: I'm liking meno more here. His earlier reluctance to "dig" seems to have dissipated, and (in this post) he's actually bringing forward new ideas to thread that we haven't yet considered.

PoE still points to you, but I think I'm starting to see worlds where this isn't the case.

**Hakulyte** · 02-5-2017, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You could tinfoil there's a grey Chaos Wolf or a Freeze Wolf, but if they were both wolves, I think V would have died by now because killing him before his final shot would be optimal play.

Meh, that's wrong, but the point is that I don't think it's particularly important.

meno_rocks123 · 02-5-2017, 08:39 PM

If V had died the night of his final shot, the action would have occurred before V died, so the person could still come out as confirmed. A challenge to that claim by another person would also end horribly for the wolf that claimed.

ShadoWolfe · 02-5-2017, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You could tinfoil the Janitor Wolf being a Chaos Wolf who turned himself pink, but there's like absolutely nothing going on with pink flips in this entire game.

I really doubt any world where chaos wolf died with Xiz, and I doubt Aryxi would know to turn himself pink (he died thinking Xiz claimed green)

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You could tinfoil there's a grey Chaos Wolf or a Freeze Wolf, but if they were both wolves, I think V would have died by now because killing him before his final shot would be optimal play.

Uhm.. Why? If who were both wolves? Even by your own reasoning, wouldn't have killing V been impossible before his final shot?

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

The green flips cannot be chaos wolves. I guess xel could be a chaos wolf who flipped himself red, but seriously, that would be some next level bs.

^seriously impossible

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Even with a Chaos Wolf in this game;

1.) He's already dead.
2.) I'm still voting Shado here because of how interactions/actions went overall.

From your perspective (assuming you're not lying about AA), the Chaos Wolf has to be exactly jrodd, or jrodd is town.
If chaos wolf was alive, they would have flipped jrodd green (if he's a wolf), or gray (if he was town).
See where I'm coming from?

**Hakulyte** · 02-5-2017, 08:54 PM

I just cannot remove tunnel vision from Shado this phase because in every scenarios where he's right, he's still the most interesting vote for me.

So, if you want to deal with this problem, you'll have to explain to me why raeko/meno is the better choice.

Tokzic · 02-5-2017, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

@Tokzic, can Chaos wolves use their power to change other players' colors green?

Yes.

**Vendetta21** · 02-5-2017, 09:03 PM

why did jrodd get insta'd so fast?

**Vendetta21** · 02-5-2017, 09:10 PM

i missed an entire phase because you guys insta'd so quickly

**Hakulyte** · 02-5-2017, 09:11 PM

Would you have insta'd someone else? Did you read the phase?

**Vendetta21** · 02-5-2017, 09:12 PM

he was obviously town painted grey by chaos wolf during an earlier phase when people stated who their allys and adversaries were in public so the wolves knew who was painted grey, then lynched in insta to try to progress the phases further and make people confused, but there's no way in any universe jrodd was a wolf here

**Vendetta21** · 02-5-2017, 09:20 PM

the wolves wouldn't have been able to coordinate the earlier color flips in any way, and i see no reason not to trust xiz's flip as pink indicates janitor wolf

**Vendetta21** · 02-5-2017, 09:21 PM

so someone on that jrodd wagon insta'd him to progress the phases quicker because they felt safer doing that then letting the phase play out longer

**Vendetta21** · 02-5-2017, 09:23 PM

i have a pretty good idea of who the last wolf is but im going to watch this play out anymore since i don't want to take the lead on pushing a wagon yet

**Hakulyte** · 02-5-2017, 09:24 PM

sunfan #1610
haku #1739
shado #1775
meno #1785

I'm concluding meno vs Shado.

02-5-2017, 08:24 PM	#1844
meno_rocks123 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: in a box on the corner of main and broadway Age: 31 Posts: 2,324	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD And, despite the wolves being unable to target themselves for killings, I see no reason for wolves being unable to target each other with PRs.

02-5-2017, 08:27 PM	#1845
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,522	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD You could tinfoil the Janitor Wolf being a Chaos Wolf who turned himself pink, but there's like absolutely nothing going on with pink flips in this entire game. You could tinfoil there's a grey Chaos Wolf or a Freeze Wolf, but if they were both wolves, I think V would have died by now because killing him before his final shot would be optimal play. If it's 50/50 Town/Wolf, it's still following my scenario in my post. The green flips cannot be chaos wolves. I guess xel could be a chaos wolf who flipped himself red, but seriously, that would be some next level bs. Even with a Chaos Wolf in this game; 1.) He's already dead. 2.) I'm still voting Shado here because of how interactions/actions went overall.

02-5-2017, 08:29 PM	#1846
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,522	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD Well, I guess the Chaos Wolf could be alive, but he would be the final wolf.

02-5-2017, 08:39 PM	#1849
meno_rocks123 FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: in a box on the corner of main and broadway Age: 31 Posts: 2,324	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD If V had died the night of his final shot, the action would have occurred before V died, so the person could still come out as confirmed. A challenge to that claim by another person would also end horribly for the wolf that claimed.

02-5-2017, 08:54 PM	#1851
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,522	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD I just cannot remove tunnel vision from Shado this phase because in every scenarios where he's right, he's still the most interesting vote for me. So, if you want to deal with this problem, you'll have to explain to me why raeko/meno is the better choice.

02-5-2017, 09:03 PM	#1853
Vendetta21 Sectional Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Age: 35 Posts: 2,745	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD why did jrodd get insta'd so fast? __________________

02-5-2017, 09:10 PM	#1854
Vendetta21 Sectional Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Age: 35 Posts: 2,745	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD i missed an entire phase because you guys insta'd so quickly __________________

02-5-2017, 09:11 PM	#1855
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,522	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD Would you have insta'd someone else? Did you read the phase?

02-5-2017, 09:12 PM	#1856
Vendetta21 Sectional Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Age: 35 Posts: 2,745	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD he was obviously town painted grey by chaos wolf during an earlier phase when people stated who their allys and adversaries were in public so the wolves knew who was painted grey, then lynched in insta to try to progress the phases further and make people confused, but there's no way in any universe jrodd was a wolf here __________________

02-5-2017, 09:20 PM	#1857
Vendetta21 Sectional Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Age: 35 Posts: 2,745	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD the wolves wouldn't have been able to coordinate the earlier color flips in any way, and i see no reason not to trust xiz's flip as pink indicates janitor wolf __________________

02-5-2017, 09:21 PM	#1858
Vendetta21 Sectional Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Age: 35 Posts: 2,745	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD so someone on that jrodd wagon insta'd him to progress the phases quicker because they felt safer doing that then letting the phase play out longer __________________

02-5-2017, 09:23 PM	#1859
Vendetta21 Sectional Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Age: 35 Posts: 2,745	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD i have a pretty good idea of who the last wolf is but im going to watch this play out anymore since i don't want to take the lead on pushing a wagon yet __________________

02-5-2017, 09:24 PM	#1860
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,522	Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries 2 - GAME THREAD sunfan #1610 haku #1739 shado #1775 meno #1785 I'm concluding meno vs Shado.

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