Metaphysics LOL?

[MrRubix]

lmao

[MrRubix]

mhss1992: Out of curiosity -- given this evidence what is your take on God?

(Not trying to convert you or anything, I am just asking out of curiosity)

[Grandiagod]

God is the Alpha and the Omega, the ultimate righteous shepherd and he takes care of his flock. Nothing moves without his say so. I guess the bottom line is GOD IS IN CONTROL. There is not one baby that comes into the world that God did not give to us. Whether or not we have the resources is not the point. If we seek God's will for our lives, He will take care of us, PERIOD. Doesn't matter if we have one or twenty kids. He will provide. I don't worry about the world anymore because it's out of my control. Even conceiving children is out of my control. Thank the Lord I'm not in control of these things. Praise God.

[mhss1992]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

mhss1992: Out of curiosity -- given this evidence what is your take on God?

(Not trying to convert you or anything, I am just asking out of curiosity)

Well, like I said, it's not just because of the complexity of things that I believe in God. In fact, I always accepted darwinism really fine, I just started to question it some months ago.
I've had experiences before. No, not paranormal experiences. I've had thoughts that led me to believe that the simple fact that we exist indicates a meaning, or an intelligence. Just the fact that we are beings that actually experience all of this, and not only automatic things like biological robots, because even though a robot can react to something, it doesn't feel it. It's really strange when you stop, during a common moment in your life, and just looks at everything as if all were new, wondering how existence is possible. It's a sort of "higher state" (but with no drugs), and it's really powerful. And (again) that thing I was trying to explain really means something that can't be summarized very easily with the words I know.
I know that probably doesn't mean much to you, but it's a strong reason for my beliefs.

EDIT:
There's also something that I want to be clear. I don't believe in the Bible. I do believe in the Big Bang and etc. Believing in God doesn't imply in being religious, and the existence of God doesn't imply in the science being wrong, at all. God is not bible, nor religion.

[dore]

Grandiagod you're a ****face for saying something like that in every thread that even mentions a god

clearly everyone who believes in a god is a religious zealot

**** you

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by mhss1992

It's really strange when you stop, during a common moment in your life, and just looks at everything as if all were new, wondering how existence is possible. It's a sort of "higher state" (but with no drugs), and it's really powerful.

I can definitely relate to this -- the last time I did this, I was standing in the middle of a walkway between my dorm and the grocery store. I was watching people playing frisbee in the big field, people walking in and out of the strip of food joints on the other side of the street, cars driving by, the sun shining, the trees moving in and out of the sunlight, etc. I couldn't help but think that the act of me simply standing there and witnessing/interpreting all this was something pretty awesome. It was one of those times where I was very grateful to be alive, as corny as that sounds. It's always fun to think about where we could have come from and how existence is possible.

What always gets me is what it would be like for the universe to not exist. I suppose it would be a lot like dying and not having an afterlife, but I mean what it would be like for not even the material universe to exist. No matter, no time, nothing. If "nothing" is was came before the Big Bang, that also blows my mind because I don't know why "nothing" would suddenly spawn existence like this. I've never really had a good answer, for instance, why atoms are the way that they are.

Thing is, no matter which view I take, I'm not satisfied with it when it comes to the origin of existence. Is there even an origin? That question has bothered me for such a long time. I feel fairly confident in my views about the current universe we live in, and our own lives and so forth, but when it comes to the origins... I get a huge mind-crunch and it's all just full of contradictions and headaches.

[mhss1992]

I understand your preference for atheism because I often see that people from your culture (and mine too, but I see that a lot in movies and stuff) directly conceives God as related to religions or as something against science. I think I have a more open-minded view of God because it doesn't conflict with science at all, it's just something else.

[dore]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

I can definitely relate to this -- the last time I did this, I was standing in the middle of a walkway between my dorm and the grocery store. I was watching people playing frisbee in the big field, people walking in and out of the strip of food joints on the other side of the street, cars driving by, the sun shining, the trees moving in and out of the sunlight, etc. I couldn't help but think that the act of me simply standing there and witnessing/interpreting all this was something pretty awesome. It was one of those times where I was very grateful to be alive, as corny as that sounds. It's always fun to think about where we could have come from and how existence is possible.

What always gets me is what it would be like for the universe to not exist. I suppose it would be a lot like dying and not having an afterlife, but I mean what it would be like for not even the material universe to exist. No matter, no time, nothing. If "nothing" is what came before the Big Bang, that also blows my mind because I don't know why "nothing" would suddenly spawn existence like this. I've never really had a good answer, for instance, why atoms are the way that they are.

Thing is, no matter which view I take, I'm not satisfied with it when it comes to the origin of existence. Is there even an origin? That question has bothered me for such a long time. I feel fairly confident in my views about the current universe we live in, and our own lives and so forth, but when it comes to the origins... I get a huge mind-crunch and it's all just full of contradictions and headaches.

That's pretty much precisely why I believe in some sort of intelligent, outside force creating our universe. It seems like we have to be part of an imperceptible something else because how can something come from nothing? Then again, believing in an imperceptible outside force raises just as many questions but limiting ourselves to what we can perceive hasn't found an answer and simply can't because there's no way to know for certain what came before the big bang.

[Grandiagod]

Originally Posted by dore

Grandiagod you're a ****face for saying something like that in every thread that even mentions a god

clearly everyone who believes in a god is a religious zealot

**** you

The best way to assure people that you are rational is to call them a ****face.

[dore]

i didnt feel the need to go above your intelligence level

[Grandiagod]

Christian love, turn the other cheek, etc

[dore]

gotcha

[Grandiagod]

I love turning good threads into flamewars.

I feel like entropy itself.

[MrRubix]

Stop gaying up the thread, guys, please stay on topic.

[dore]

how can there be entropy? god is in control

[Grandiagod]

God is in control of entropy. Duh

[dore]

ah ok

[mhss1992]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

Thing is, no matter which view I take, I'm not satisfied with it when it comes to the origin of existence. Is there even an origin? That question has bothered me for such a long time. I feel fairly confident in my views about the current universe we live in, and our own lives and so forth, but when it comes to the origins... I get a huge mind-crunch and it's all just full of contradictions and headaches.

Well... what if things exist because inexistence is impossible? I mean, there are infinite possibilities, time and space. How could things not exist?
The other question is: what makes possibilities, time and space exist, in the first place?

[mhss1992]

Originally Posted by KgZ

this

We as humans make god how ever we want it to be. I can't tell you how many countless times I've seen people say dumb **** like, "well this is what God wants," or "God told me..." nonsense.

There may be a god, maybe not. However, people always accommodate religion to how they want it to be.

I refer to God as an intelligence, but I know I can't define anything else.