jTWG XLVI: Chicago

[Kekeb]

It was a question

[Litodude]

Sup. Posting an interesting conversation I had with trav earlier today. It's pretty much tl;dr, but I'm just posting it to get my thoughts out of the way, showing how to properly play the game, etc. Also, it's good reading if you're bored waiting for the Day phase. I'll be doing hw, message me if you have any questions.

RBennie362 (1:46:37 PM): wtf are you talking about
RBennie362 (1:46:43 PM): did you even read that log
Litodude (1:49:50 PM): yea
Litodude (1:49:53 PM): it's pur bs
Litodude (1:50:04 PM): and don't tell me it isn't, because this is what you do e ery game
RBennie362 (1:50:25 PM): And it works
RBennie362 (1:50:32 PM): Ive caught so many wolves that way
Litodude (1:50:37 PM): uhm
Litodude (1:50:39 PM): ok
RBennie362 (1:50:43 PM): I dont even see where you question it
RBennie362 (1:50:48 PM): I flat out say
RBennie362 (1:50:53 PM): I will help you as a wolf
RBennie362 (1:50:56 PM): and he goes
RBennie362 (1:51:03 PM): give me some time to think about it
Litodude (1:51:04 PM): no
Litodude (1:51:06 PM): you go
Litodude (1:51:10 PM): okay because you're a wolf
Litodude (1:51:16 PM): i'm going to tell eveyone you are
Litodude (1:51:29 PM): what the **** kind of fallacious argument are you trying to pull here?
RBennie362 (1:51:44 PM): what are you saying
RBennie362 (1:51:47 PM): are you telling me
RBennie362 (1:51:50 PM): if I go up to you
RBennie362 (1:51:51 PM): and say
RBennie362 (1:51:54 PM): you are a wolf
RBennie362 (1:51:57 PM): I will help you
RBennie362 (1:52:00 PM): and you will say
RBennie362 (1:52:02 PM): Ill think about it
Litodude (1:52:08 PM): /headshake
Litodude (1:52:18 PM): you you went up t me like that i'll ave you lynched the next day
Litodude (1:52:24 PM): first off: that's retarded
Litodude (1:52:32 PM): 2nd: there's no need to fish for roles right now
Litodude (1:52:52 PM): 3rd: you pretty much said both sully and iceman are wolves now
Litodude (1:53:05 PM): even if iceman as a wolf, i think he'd be smart enough to know who his wolf buddies are
Litodude (1:53:51 PM): was a wolf*
RBennie362 (1:55:47 PM): dont you remember the game when rzr gave himself up when he didnt read his PM
RBennie362 (1:55:58 PM): and fyi I let sully in on it while it was happening
Litodude (1:56:01 PM): rzr is an ignoramous
Litodude (1:56:14 PM): he can't even be classifed as a person with a brain
RBennie362 (1:56:17 PM): lol
RBennie362 (1:56:21 PM): well this is his second game
Litodude (1:56:26 PM): and?
Litodude (1:56:34 PM): he's playing alot better than most people
RBennie362 (1:56:41 PM): I did the same thing with kekeb
RBennie362 (1:56:46 PM): and he didnt fall for it at all
RBennie362 (1:57:51 PM): So I dont see where you are coming from
RBennie362 (1:57:53 PM): at all
Litodude (1:59:41 PM): what do you mean?
Litodude (1:59:48 PM): you don't understand hat i'm trying to say?
Litodude (1:59:50 PM): okay okay
Litodude (1:59:56 PM): hold on; let me say it clearly:
RBennie362 (2:00:03 PM): No i understand what you are trying to say
RBennie362 (2:00:06 PM): it just makes no sense
Litodude (2:01:38 PM): your idiotic fabrication of lies and falsified evidence to back up your lies do not ork on every single person. and because of these fabricated lies, you, in turn, become suspicious as a monther ****er when you are caught by someone else or by the person you are trying to mislead.
Litodude (2:02:13 PM): rzr fell for it (or whatever he did to get lycnhed) because he's an idiotic **** that does not kno how to play a game properly
RBennie362 (2:02:26 PM): many people fall for it
RBennie362 (2:02:44 PM): and seeing as how most of these players dont know how to play the game
Litodude (2:02:47 PM): kek3b, drkirth and iceman on the other hand, are -somewhat- intelligent people and know when they're being lied to
Litodude (2:02:51 PM): what players?
Litodude (2:02:52 PM): tell me
Litodude (2:02:53 PM): ho?
Litodude (2:02:55 PM): who*?
RBennie362 (2:03:03 PM): it should be understandable that they could fall for it as well
RBennie362 (2:03:30 PM): You act like you are so confident in his humanity
RBennie362 (2:03:36 PM): for no ****ing reason
Litodude (2:03:45 PM): i'm not confident in his humanity whatsoever
RBennie362 (2:03:50 PM): i was doing it with all the players
Litodude (2:03:57 PM): in fact, i'm not even sure what his role is
RBennie362 (2:03:59 PM): he was simply the only one who fell for it
Litodude (2:04:12 PM): all i was trying to point out is that what you're doing is rash, retarded, and unecessaey
Litodude (2:04:24 PM): when i got the message from sully,
Litodude (2:04:32 PM):
"Sullyman2007" (1:26:08 PM): IcEmAnEd2 (4:24:17 PM): sully, you there?
sully5313 (4:24:28 PM): hey.
IcEmAnEd2 (4:24:36 PM): all I needed to know
IcEmAnEd2 (4:24:53 PM): trav says he saw your pm, I am wolf, and you are not online.
Litodude (2:04:37 PM): i was like wtf?
Litodude (2:04:48 PM): he's not that stupid to reveal a wolf role
Litodude (2:04:59 PM): i was watching him play in the previous jTWG
Litodude (2:05:12 PM): then i realized, after talking to him, it was your doing
Litodude (2:05:17 PM): "trav this" and "trav that"
RBennie362 (2:05:19 PM): lol
Litodude (2:05:23 PM): and i was like o lawd not ****ing again
RBennie362 (2:05:39 PM): youve played games with me where this tactic has worked
Litodude (2:05:39 PM): i don't know if you're pulling off that tactic you did last game
Litodude (2:05:52 PM): trying to accuse someone else of being a wolf in order to hide being a wolf yourself
Litodude (2:05:57 PM): but that's what i'm aiming for
Litodude (2:06:08 PM): and each and every response i egt from you on inclines me to vote for you even more
RBennie362 (2:06:13 PM): usually you seem to assume Im a wolf for no reason
RBennie362 (2:06:19 PM): but that is your inclinations
Litodude (2:06:26 PM): ...
Litodude (2:06:28 PM): "no reason"
RBennie362 (2:06:31 PM): i always play like this and you know it
Litodude (2:06:40 PM): again you don't listen to anything i say
Litodude (2:06:44 PM): and yea
Litodude (2:06:47 PM): you do play like that
Litodude (2:06:48 PM): all the time
Litodude (2:06:52 PM): except in TWG
Litodude (2:07:00 PM): when your ealize there are a lot more intelligent people around
Litodude (2:07:07 PM): and pulling off that kind of **** will only get you lynched
RBennie362 (2:07:11 PM): lol, no
Litodude (2:07:13 PM): and you shoud kno that when i'm playing jTWG
Litodude (2:07:24 PM): i'm going to get you lynched too because your actions are retarded
Litodude (2:07:27 PM): like i said in the thread
Litodude (2:07:32 PM): there's no need for role fishing right no
Litodude (2:07:34 PM): not ever
RBennie362 (2:07:42 PM): seth, rzr, xplay all got caught like that in TWG's
RBennie362 (2:09:07 PM): You confuse me continually
RBennie362 (2:09:14 PM): make the game more interesting though
Litodude (2:09:19 PM): lol oh god
RBennie362 (2:09:24 PM): I could flat out prove the person as red
Litodude (2:09:26 PM): i just want you dead because you're retarded
RBennie362 (2:09:39 PM): and you would try to find a way to turn it into im red
RBennie362 (2:10:15 PM): oh on an unrelated note
RBennie362 (2:10:37 PM): have you thought of a way to reword you 7b. rule
RBennie362 (2:11:00 PM): thunder wants to make it so if someone is banned for a day or less
RBennie362 (2:11:07 PM): they are frozen in the game
Litodude (2:11:12 PM): **** that
Litodude (2:11:17 PM): if they are banned it's their own fault
Litodude (2:11:23 PM): they shouldn't be doing stupid ****
RBennie362 (2:11:25 PM): and if its more than a day then they are kicked out
RBennie362 (2:11:30 PM): i agree
Litodude (2:11:31 PM): also
Litodude (2:11:37 PM):
RBennie362 (2:09:39 PM): and you would try to find a way to turn it into im red
RBennie362 (2:10:15 PM): oh on an unrelated note
Litodude (2:11:44 PM): you did that yourself
RBennie362 (2:11:54 PM): are are you talking about
Litodude (2:12:07 PM): everything you just did can be turned against you
RBennie362 (2:12:18 PM): i said that regardless of what i do in a game
Litodude (2:12:18 PM): because of stuff i just previously mentioned
RBennie362 (2:12:24 PM): you try to make it seem like im a red
RBennie362 (2:12:26 PM): every game
Litodude (2:12:28 PM): ie: this is what youd id when youw ere a wolf and got caught
Litodude (2:12:34 PM): don't stop playing like an idiot
RBennie362 (2:13:11 PM): i was telling you thats theres no point in me trying to talk about the game with you
RBennie362 (2:13:17 PM): because in your mind
RBennie362 (2:13:21 PM): I will always be a wolf
RBennie362 (2:13:39 PM): so i just want to find out your opinion on that rule
RBennie362 (2:13:42 PM): so we can both move on
RBennie362 (2:13:51 PM): and play the game our seperate ways
Litodude (2:13:55 PM): everyone's a wolf unless they can prove it wrong
Litodude (2:14:01 PM): including me.
Litodude (2:14:17 PM): whateve one does or says will determine if you think that person is a olf or not
Litodude (2:14:22 PM): you shuld know this Mr. TWG guy
RBennie362 (2:14:36 PM): you act like I am not playing under that principle
RBennie362 (2:14:41 PM): mr TWG guru
RBennie362 (2:14:51 PM): like Im implicating anyone as human
Litodude (2:15:06 PM): i never said you weren't playing under that principly
Litodude (2:15:23 PM): you accused me of thinking that you're always a wol fin my eyes
Litodude (2:15:32 PM): and i just told you i'm not individualistic
RBennie362 (2:15:37 PM): i see the point you are trying to make
Litodude (2:15:39 PM): and i tihnk evyone is a wolf until proven rong
RBennie362 (2:15:44 PM): fair enough
RBennie362 (2:15:57 PM): i tend to just think of everyone as neutral
RBennie362 (2:16:08 PM): and then lean them one way or the other
RBennie362 (2:19:21 PM): im going to go soon
RBennie362 (2:19:25 PM): but before i do
RBennie362 (2:19:35 PM): I want your opinion on that revision
Litodude (2:20:51 PM): on which?
RBennie362 (2:23:13 PM): 7b.
RBennie362 (2:23:26 PM): the ban evasion one
Litodude (2:23:34 PM): don't change ****
RBennie362 (2:23:46 PM): that rule needs to be changed though
RBennie362 (2:24:16 PM): dont you think that if they are banned, then they shouldnt play
Litodude (2:28:15 PM): if they are banned during the game, it is up to the host to decide whether or not they should find a substitute, wait for the ban to expire, or ban evade [with the approval of a moderator]
RBennie362 (2:29:03 PM): I dont see the situation where they would be able to ban evade
Litodude (2:29:13 PM): there has already been a situation
RBennie362 (2:29:25 PM): I think that they should just either be kicked out
RBennie362 (2:29:30 PM): or do thunder's situation
Litodude (2:29:32 PM): a person was allwoed to use an alternate person to post but only in the TWG sub-forum
Litodude (2:29:34 PM): no
Litodude (2:29:38 PM): keep it as it is
Litodude (2:29:39 PM): it's fine
Litodude (2:29:48 PM): it gives leeway to a person
RBennie362 (2:31:09 PM): you should talk to thunder and people
Litodude (2:31:19 PM): too lazy
Litodude (2:31:27 PM): idc for the game unless something exciting happens
Litodude (2:31:30 PM): with that said,
Litodude (2:31:31 PM): brb hw
RBennie362 (2:31:37 PM): im gonna go anyways
RBennie362 (2:31:40 PM): ill talk to you later

[Sh4d0wD3v1L]

Not that anything I say will matter anymore....
(to trav)
Me "falling" for your "trap" is like claiming seer when you're not. You just say it to make people think one way even though it's not true, for whatever reason. Did I say it on purpose? Yeah. Was I planning on agreeing with you? No. It's a bad idea even if someone agreed. My "time to think" was "time for you to stop talking to me" and "time for me to ask sully about it to see what he said". I did ask sully, and he didn't comment on it, but he did show that he was online, which was proof enough that you made one lie. As bad as the logic may be, I would likewise think you were a wolf for trying to expose me as one. That way, wolves get 2 easy kills. 1 on the night kill, 1 on the lynch. That is a good wolf strategy, imo anyways...

tl;dr version:
That convo proves nothing, I think trav is a wolf, and it's still night so idk why this is all going on already.

[Xception704]

Sh4d0w, correct me if I'm wrong, but you say you "fell" for his trap on purpose?

... what's the reasoning behind that?

[Sh4d0wD3v1L]

I went with what he was saying to see where it was going to lead to, not because I had any thoughts as to actually go with it. I wanted to make sure that everything he wanted to say, he could, so that I could figure out what he wanted.

That ok?

[Xception704]

Not really.

By "going along" with it, you don't really gain anything, and the possibility exists that you just simply slipped up and now you're trying to cover it.

I'm not throwing an accusation ... just stating the possibilities.

[Sh4d0wD3v1L]

Anything is possible.

Well, to you, it might not seem like anything was gamed, you weren't in the convo, however, I feel like I gained some useful information.

[Xception704]

Okay, well, you shouldn't just say "I gained some info" and then not say the info. =\

And even if you did gain info, you still can't refute that you simply might have slipped up.

Your whole argument of "I'm not that stupid; I lurk a lot" seems fishy and invalid to me.

[Sh4d0wD3v1L]

Fine,

I learned that lito doesn't like trav, and that trav is a moron.
Also, I learned that trav is very suspicious, and I have a good reason to vote for him.

As for me slipping up:
No. I know this is my first game and nobody knows who I am, but even the dumbest of the dumb would reveal wolf to anybody. That's ludicrous. This whole game is based on trust. You don't trust my word of "I'm not wolf". So as I said to argo, go ahead, lynch me. It's going to be a waste of your time, lynching a human, but do as you please, I've said about all that I can, just that nobody will believe me.

[Xception704]

Like I said, I'm not throwing any accusations at you.

I'm just saying that you're on my suspicion list just like trav is on your suspicion list.

Fair enough?

And here's few tips for the future (if you haven't already caught on from lurking).

Never threaten the entire jTWG population that's playing with "Go ahead any lynch me. You'll just be wasting your time."

That usually turns people off and gets them mad enough to actually lynch you.

Also requesting to be seer'd gets you about the same result. You could be Master Wolf, in which case you'd WANT to get seer'd because you'd come up green (obviously).

And if you were a human, you definitely wouldn't want the seer to waste a seering on a human when you know there are still wolves out there.

[Sh4d0wD3v1L]

I'm just trying to sway you towards the "ice = not wolf" side and get me off your suspicion list, oh well, can't say I didn't try.

As for the rest of it, I'll keep that in mind...

[Xception704]

Who's ice? ... you?

Well, there's not really anything you can do to prove your humanity if it exists.

Thing is, in the jTWG, if you make a mistake and slip up in the early-game period (night/day 1/2), you're basically dead ... lol.

[Sh4d0wD3v1L]

Yes, ice = me.

Well, as stated before, if I die, I die. It was interesting while it lasted, and hopefully the "vets" were happy about the activity and entertainment I provided for them.

[Xception704]

Whoa dude. Don't give up just because someone suspects you.

It's definitely far from over.

I know I said that a mistake in the early game can cost you your life, but if something else comes up, you might live longer.

Which is exactly why it should motivate you to go talking to everyone and see if you can squeeze any wolfish characteristics out of them. =P

[sc979]

Does anybody know if Sully is on right now? I've tried to talk to him, but it's been 2 hours and I haven't gotten a reply yet. I've even seen him viewing the thread just a few minutes ago...

P.S. Put away messages on if you're away. I've tried to talk to Xception, and it took him 1.5 hours before I got a response, and now this from Sully.

[Xception704]

You tried to talk to me about a non-jTWG-related issue. >.>

Besides, if you would have read the thread, I said I wasn't going to be back for four hours. =\

But yeah, I'll try to get better at the whole putting away message on thing.

Sullyman's online, but I haven't gotten a reply either.

[Xception704]

jungmour2009 (10:57:29 PM): hey
"Sullyman2007" (10:59:48 PM): hey
jungmour2009 (11:11:20 PM): what's up?

[Sullyman2007]

internet is serious business.

[sc979]

Yeah, I missed how long you said you'd be gone for.

But it's still annoying to not get an answer after hours.

Sam97379 (9:49:06 PM): hey
Sam97379 (11:30:34 PM): uhh
Sam97379 (11:30:41 PM): you here?
sully5313 (11:55:24 PM): hey

Strangely enough, he answered 1 minute after I posted in the thread.

[Sullyman2007]

yeah, I didn't think it was that big of a deal, but when you made the post I figured it could be pretty important.
im about to call it a night though. im always on aim but Ill be away, so just leave a message and Ill get to it as soon as I can.