My older step-cousin just got sentenced

[Cavernio]

The reason to not keep it would be out of respect for the child or murder victim. If you were abused you wouldn't want people watching it for either educational reasons or to get off on.

pseudo enigma, it's called snuff, yes it exists. I would think that the people who create it aren't in it for the money, even if they would make a tidy profit off of it. Much like I'm sure why most pedophilic videos are made. Would it matter for the people in question whether or not they can turn it into an enterprise? They obviously do it for their own pleasure anyways. Like the idea of having realistic virtual pedophilia, it's possible that spreading actual child porn around prevents actual incidents, so maybe cracking down on people like this cousin has fueled MORE incidents of sexually abused children.

I honestly don't know how much therapy would help people who act upon their pedophilia. Altering one's sexual tastes has been tried many times with homosexuals without much success, asaik. One could give drugs to suppress the perpetrator's sex drive, (or be like what my mom suggests for repeat sex offenders, castration). Alternatively one could ignore the sex drive completely and try to hammer in some basic morals, just don't do it no matter how good it feels, but even if that were to work we'd end up with people like this step-cousin who just collects the stuff. Which is apparently enough for a 10 year sentence.

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by devonin

You're holding (and thus withholding) evidence of a crime. That is illegal.

That's a different issue. We just want to consider possession of the video, without extraneous factors, so for the sake of our hypothetical let's assume the video is publically available and as easy to obtain as a Youtube video. Would someone having a copy of that video be treated as badly as we treat pedophiles? Clearly not. It's distasteful, sure, but nobody would say people who download publically available videos of murders deserve to spend a decade in jail.

Originally Posted by Pseudo Enigma

Legit question: is there a fetish which involves killing people or watching people die? Are people being killed to fuel this fetish?

There is such a fetish, yes. Occasionally people do kill each other for sexual reasons, but afaik there isn't any kind of black market for new videos.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

There actually is a Russia police case that happened recently where a man hired someone to murder and eat him because that was his fetish.

Are you thinking of Armin Meiwes (from Germany), or was there another one?

Originally Posted by Cavernio

it's possible that spreading actual child porn around prevents actual incidents

According to a study I just found (http://www.springer.com/about+spring...01-6-1042321-0) it looks like the availability of child porn does actually decrease the number of child sex abuse cases. I wonder if loli (drawn cp from Japan) has the same effect - it'd be great if it did, since it doesn't even harm actual children when it's produced.

[popsicle_3000]

my gosh the amount of times i cringed itt

[ExacerbatE]

Well, I know that feel... Kinda. I did 45 days for a misdemeanor battery charge xD I couldn't imagine ten years! D:

[L.B.D.D]

um actually there is a market for snuff films

"A snuff film is a motion picture genre that depicts the actual murder of a person or people, without the aid of special effects, for the express purpose of distribution and entertainment or financial exploitation.[1] Some filmed records of executions and murders exist but have not been made or released for commercial purposes.[2]"





e: oh cavernio already answered rofl

[devonin]

Clearly not. It's distasteful, sure, but nobody would say people who download publicly available videos of murders deserve to spend a decade in jail.

And the whole point of the discussion in this thread is whether somebody who downloaded publicly available child porn also deserves to spend a decade in jail.

[popsicle_3000]

jail -> yes

[ExacerbatE]

Originally Posted by devonin

And the whole point of the discussion in this thread is whether somebody who downloaded publicly available child porn also deserves to spend a decade in jail.

By "child" do they mean like... under the age of consent? Just saying, because 10 years for some 17 year old nudity is ridiculous, imo lol

But, yes, of course they deserve some jail time!

[GuidoHunter]

No, it's really not.

--Guido

[ExacerbatE]

Consent where I am from is 17, but I know in the States it is 18, but hey, those are the laws there, but I'm just saying.

[ExacerbatE]

I would consider anywhere 16 and under to be CP, and I agree, it should be handled the way it has been; You basically get the rest of your life in a room to yourself, or maybe a good butt friend, and you can pray that you can understand what you did was extremely unacceptable lol

[danny53x]

Are there any realistic or useful studies behind the psychological development of this? Or do they just lock these people up and hope the pedo-gene rots away? The guy in that one video getting sentenced made himself look like he was getting sent to timeout like a kid himself.

[L.B.D.D]

snapchat database is the best way to jail people

[infinity.]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

There actually is a Russia police case that happened recently where a man hired someone to murder and eat him because that was his fetish.

Having a damn hard time finding where that was posted, though. I think my friend who posted that took it down off of FB

i wrote a paper on this plus the japanese dude, can find link if needed

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by danny53x

Are there any realistic or useful studies behind the psychological development of this? Or do they just lock these people up and hope the pedo-gene rots away?

What pedo-gene? It is just human nature to be attracted to young girls in development. Whether or not you suppress your human nature to appeal to what is socially acceptable these days is a different matter.

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by L.B.D.D

um actually there is a market for snuff films

"A snuff film is a motion picture genre that depicts the actual murder of a person or people, without the aid of special effects, for the express purpose of distribution and entertainment or financial exploitation.[1] Some filmed records of executions and murders exist but have not been made or released for commercial purposes.[2]"

That doesn't say there's a market, it's just a definition of the word. Most sources I've seen agree that snuff films are pretty much just an urban legend.

Originally Posted by danny53x

Are there any realistic or useful studies behind the psychological development of this? Or do they just lock these people up and hope the pedo-gene rots away?

We just lock them up. But to be fair, that's what we do with most criminals in the USA.

[Pseudo Enigma]

actually now that you mention it, I usually think of child porn victims as younger children (6-10 yrs of age) but how often are they teenagers?

[Svaz]

Originally Posted by Cavernio

I honestly don't know how much therapy would help people who act upon their pedophilia. Altering one's sexual tastes has been tried many times with homosexuals without much success, asaik. One could give drugs to suppress the perpetrator's sex drive, (or be like what my mom suggests for repeat sex offenders, castration). Alternatively one could ignore the sex drive completely and try to hammer in some basic morals, just don't do it no matter how good it feels, but even if that were to work we'd end up with people like this step-cousin who just collects the stuff. Which is apparently enough for a 10 year sentence.

Louis Theroux did a documentary on stuff within this category called A Place For Pedophiles

From what I recollect, the facility in the video is more or less effectively a holding bay for pedophiles. It's a mental health oriented facility and is generally used in lieu of or following a stint in prison. Within it are various therapeutic methods, such as group sessions, one on one counselling sessions, medications, behavioural therapy, and there is one guy in the doc who undergoes castration in hopes of eventually returning to a normal life.

I'm pretty sure nobody (or just the castration guy) ever leaves after they're in the facility as they are generally determined to be unsafe people to be released into society.

It's really strange and I don't feel like it even benefits the tenants. It definitely doesn't benefit the tax payers or the people stuck working there. I suppose it's at least a nicer offset to prison, but I feel like this kinda thing has a long way to go before it's worthwhile.

[L.B.D.D]

Originally Posted by qqwref

That doesn't say there's a market, it's just a definition of the word. Most sources I've seen agree that snuff films are pretty much just an urban legend.

i'm pretty sure there is a market for it - there is a market for anything if there's demand

source: i've heard of korean snuff films, there was a small gang that got busted after a series of murders

[RB_Spirit]

I'm attracted to 16-17 year old girls.. Fuck i'm a pedo..
Wait i'm 17, i have a few more months to fuck minors
#Yoloswag