TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Litodude

maybe u missed it but we just got into like 3 pages of argument (at 80 ppp) about how he's an idiot for being a failed jk or an awesome wolf or a shitty vt chaos town

no I didn't miss it
I don't see what that has to do with anything

I agree that he needs to reveal if he is the innocent child, that's about it

is that the only thing???

[Wineandbread]

Originally Posted by roundbox

if anything it tells me there's a deep wolf in the universal towns
this is combined with looking at shado's reads

who do you consider universal town? I feel I may be in that category at this point, and it wasn't even because of me, it was cause of choof lol

Originally Posted by thesunfan

if this is the case then I think Lito is the most likely deep wolf, but I guess its not a universal townread

haku look !! someone buys your theory !! (O:

[Litodude]

3 things that could happen:

1. haku is the jk that cannot do anything

2. haku is a wolf in which case i will vote to kill

3. haku is a shitty chaos vt

it's an 1/3 possibility for wolf

[Wineandbread]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

So my goal atm is to find a consensus lynch from the pool of roundbox/charu/lito/yoshl

@everyone

Tell me who in that pool you would lynch and who you absolutely wouldn't. If you igore this question I will pitch a fit till you answer it

from my reads, roundbox/yoshl I would be okay with, charu/lito I would not. Although I'm feeling less strongly about lito now that I'm digesting what I read before

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

You are making a mistake here if you are the IC, but that's the last thing I think I'll say about that.

its not rolehunting. I've actively shut people down when they've been talking about roles. Its different here because of the push that you would deny wolves who are pushing on you if you are a confirmable role as well as the info you would give to town

I literally don't understand your logic. Can you rephrase that? I'm genuinely confused.
I cannot even consider a world where pushing someone about if they're a PR viable.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Litodude

3 things that could happen:

1. haku is the jk that cannot do anything

2. haku is a wolf in which case i will vote to kill

3. haku is a shitty chaos vt

it's an 1/3 possibility for wolf

I tend to cover all bases when dealing with roles, so there are more than 3 outcomes here imo

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Litodude

3 things that could happen:

1. haku is the jk that cannot do anything

2. haku is a wolf in which case i will vote to kill

3. haku is a shitty chaos vt

it's an 1/3 possibility for wolf

#maths

[Litodude]

which areeeeeeeee

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

It's literally impossible to find one game by me where players were like "let's follow Haku, I think what he said make sense".

It didn't happen once over 2 years.

You can't seriously make an argument about me controlling votes.
You can't seriously make an argument about me doing anything game changing.

I'm literally a spectator every game. It's no surprise that I keep losing and cause my faction to be angry at me. How can you work together if you're always rejected by everyone in terms on actions.

You could say I'm being dramatic here, but objectively speaking, I'm really at a flat 0 on being the reason why a wagon happened.

It's causing me to lose confidence in myself and games always ends in a very sad manner when I'm around.

This game I'm trying to do the opposite, but look at what's happening. The entire meta of this game is centered about discrediting me, placing me on ignore and tell me that I'm not playing well.

Like, what do you want me to even do in these conditions?

Hey I'm following you today what you said makes sense

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I literally don't understand your logic. Can you rephrase that? I'm genuinely confused.
I cannot even consider a world where pushing someone about if they're a PR viable.

I am saying exactly the opposite.

You should reveal BECAUSE people are pushing you if you are the IC. It stops the push on you from happening and people might actually listen to you because they know you are town.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

haku look !! someone buys your theory !! (O:

Nah, when you're going to ask him who he's going to vote, it's not going to happen.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

I am saying exactly the opposite.

You should reveal BECAUSE people are pushing you if you are the IC. It stops the push on you from happening and people might actually listen to you because they know you are town.

I want you to consider both worlds without this happening.

[Wineandbread]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

lito is really smart imo. I agree with this that I don't see it, but that doesn't mean its not possible, right?

The fact that he's taking this line today of lynching raeko instead of taking the (imo) easy route with me makes me feel a lot better, but I haven't got him locked in.

Was he wary about you though? I think I might have been blinded by the raeko/haku stuff

In terms of why he's asking you're a PR, I think he is frustrated with your play and it would make him feel a lot better if you were confirmed town. But that's assuming IC is in the game to begin with, so flawed approach if you ask me

[FreezinIce]

When you encounter resistance it doesn't mean your wrong, if anything a lack of resistance is more suspicious aka indheart and mello

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Litodude

3 things that could happen:

1. haku is the jk that cannot do anything

2. haku is a wolf in which case i will vote to kill

3. haku is a shitty chaos vt

it's an 1/3 possibility for wolf

let me just say again that if haku is jk then he failed to protect lightknight

how likely a scenario is that

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Litodude

let me just say again that if haku is jk then he failed to protect lightknight

how likely a scenario is that

Why are you even talking about that.

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Litodude

2. haku is a wolf in which case i will vote to kill

3. haku is a shitty chaos vt

it's an 1/3 possibility for wolf

if pr chooses to flip today instead of tmr i'm killing haku based on this 50/50

[thesunfan]

let me try to think of an example here

On another community we play in, the setup is parity cop, nerfed medic, 1-shot vigilante for 15 players (3 wolves).

The setup is a bit more complex than that but we don't have to get into that right now.

Typically, the vigilante claims on d1 if they are getting pushed on, or claims instantly at the start of d2.

There are several reasons, but I'll focus on the main two.

It is suicide for the wolves to ever counterclaim.
It gives town a confirmed person to follow.

The vigilante not revealing throughout the game is incredibly anti-town because it denies town a voice of reason. Not claiming vigilante is one of the worst things you can do, especially if you're getting pushed on.

Innocent Child, if present in this setup and if that person is someone that is being pushed on, is denying town both of these things, with the first being relatively unimportant.

Does this make sense?

[Wineandbread]

Originally Posted by Charu

To get a confirmation, pretty much.

If you're the IC, then cool, nothing will actually change in this current game state.

I'm not lying either, it literally won't. You'll still have the same problem and I'll still have my reads currently, as I'm sure everyone else will continue to have their own reads.

Only difference is probably litodude or whoever is still skeptical of you to finally go "Okay, don't have to worry about THAT guy".

As Haku mentioned, it basically makes him die one way or another if the push happens. And I think we should only do that if we're pretty sure if Haku is a wolf.
I'm really surprised you didn't see this, almost felt intentional. No offense.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Litodude

let me just say again that if haku is jk then he failed to protect lightknight

how likely a scenario is that

I am not going to assign how likely/unlikely but if it is not impossible then I think it is generally a mistake to discount these worlds

lol if this is all you voted me for